Donato Bayu Bay Bumacas: I am not sure if Darwin is right, but this is one thing sure here. African people did not invent arms and weapons. They didn’t also develop the culture and the attitudes of superiority, which for me meant African states less developed than western states. Western states for me did not only develop in their own, they had been taking lots directly and indirectly of the resources from the third world countries to their own countries. And this is, I think, the reason why the African states as compared to western states did not -- is less developed than western states, is because, as I said, they didn’t develop the value and culture of colonization, compared to the western people; they colonized the third world and get some, most of the resources to their own interest. And for me, those are the things that it has to be considered.