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Aug 30, 2006 3:14:44 PM cite

How can human society be in balance and harmony when there are so few women in positions of power and feminine values are so minimized in all areas?

by David Woolfson

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Sep 9, 2006 11:20:00 AM cite

Angaangaq Lyberth: David, I’m so happy that you asked the question. Remember I told you the other day that about the feather I’m holding? It’s an eagle in whose presence I am can never soar unless the wings are both equal. Nor can the airplane soar when the wings are not equal. That’s the same thing with the human family. The human cannot soar to new heights within unless both wings are equal. That means me and my wife [Sinnika] we cannot soar as a couple and bring our family to new heights we are always seeking unless we both are equal. So it goes for everyone else around. And look at all these beautiful people who feel themselves so important but forgetting the other side. I can never do what I do without complete love and support of my wife. And thus I have been able to succeed to sit in this particular gathering today. But have I done a good enough job? I pray to the Great One I have. I really worked hard to make sure that me and my family be equal, me and my wife be equal so that we can both soar like an eagle and come to new heights within. And that is the question of the world. Why we have no succeeded so far. Because we don’t have that balance, and we don’t have that harmony. Do you know how many women will be destroyed today? Verbally? Just alone verbally, let alone physically, let alone emotionally, let alone spiritually? And then in the west we call it simply being civilized when the very greatest crime we do is that we put down the women rather than lifting them up to new heights as an equal to ourselves. I pray that I have answered your question, David. Thank you for posing it.

by Angaangaq Lyberth

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Sep 9, 2006 11:20:00 AM cite

Anthony Arnove: I think the question has to be interrogated in terms of what the question of feminine values means, because I think part of the problem with [formal] sexes in this developed capitalism historically is that it has tended to create an essentialist idea about what is male or what is female in our society. And those ideas can actually reinforce sexes and can actually reinforce women’s exclusion and women’s oppression. And so, the idea that there is something natural or inherent in women, believe them to caring or more sharing and more humane than men is really a problematic and sexist idea. So, it’s important I think to get, you know, the assumptions of the question. But, understanding the concern that the question is raising, which I think is an important one, we have to ask the question of why more women are in positions of leadership and power. But, if it’s a question of just women gaining positions of leadership and power on the basis that the existing system operates, we have examples of that not being a process that leads to change, not being a process that leads to liberation. So, we have very clear recent examples of Margaret Thatcher as Prime Minister of England or Condoleeza Rice today as the Secretary of State in the United States, or Madeleine Albright before her in that role. Women who use their power not to advance interest of other women or people, but in fact, carry out policies that were oppressive to women in the case of Condoleeza Rice and Madeleine Albright in particular to Iraqi women. And in the case of Margaret Thatcher, so many women in Britain and around the world just suffered as a result of their policies. So, I don’t believe that if women came into positions of more power, naturally the system would evolve to have less warlike, less conflictual qualities. But, if we do want to see that brought about, if we do want to see a kind of change, I think we have to show that men and women together fighting for a society is based on different values.

by Anthony Arnove

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Sep 9, 2006 11:20:00 AM cite

Anuradha Koirala: Human society can be in balance and harmony if women are given equal status as men. Human society can be in balance and harmony if women are given equal status as men. So as to create a better world, equalize the status of woman and man, and then we have to give opportunity to women from the grassroot to the high level, and to the educated onesin all the sectors – to participate in all the sectors so as to empower them, and be in balance and harmony.

by Anuradha Koirala

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Anuradha Mittal: I agree that it’s a question that we have to ask that how can we build a human society to be in balance and in harmony as long as women are denied positions of power. But one thing that I would also add is not just replacing men with women; we have to also replace the decisions which are so destructive for the human society. I would not like to see more Condoleezza Rices in the world. She is not my sister. So, how do we build a world which reflects the principles of humanity where all of us, especially also us women, have a seat at the table because we do know if we’re not at the table we’re on the menu. So, yes, that is a question for each one of us that how can we talk about having balance or how can we talk about human society being in harmony as long as women are denied a seat at the table. It is not about power. We do not want to change those in power with somebody else in power. We want to get rid of power structures that actually we can have a human society which has that balance.

by Anuradha Mittal

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Sep 9, 2006 11:20:00 AM cite

Ashok Gangadean: Well, I appreciate this question especially, because I am working with David Wolfson as the Co-Chair of the World Wisdom Council with Ervin Laszlo and delighted that we could be here in terms of this great event with Dropping Knowledge. I find this question asymptomatic of a malaise in culture to the question of feminine values. What are feminine values? Well, in contrast to the so-called male-centered and I think really the better term is not so much male, but egocentric values which are hierarchical and have a dominance on us versus them type of mentality. What we call feminine values are more integral, holistic, compassionate, care and nurturing, being sensitive to nature and the entire ecology. But those values are the values of the awakened culture that is hopefully coming after millennia of our great teachers and global wisdom through the ages that have been espousing these so-called feminine values, really global human values, I’d rather say, of compassion and care and mutual love and respect and the sacredness of all life. And, so the question of the absence and the exclusion so far of women from positions of power is a symptom of this deeper malaise of a dominance culture based upon the egocentric structures of separation and fragmentation, alienation and ultimately violence. So, if you seek in this symptomatic way, the absence of women in position of power and the rise of the feminine in all aspects of life, in our culture now, is a symptom of this great shift to a higher form of human culture, the sustainable culture on this planet where we can live as one human family sharing our sacred earth, which is the mission of the World Wisdom Council to help facilitate and promote and accelerate this shift to the emergence of feminine durable human values of compassion and care. And, hopefully this is now what’s happening and as the feminine energy rises in our culture, that is the signal of this great shift to a global consciousness and human consciousness and global spirituality as a basis of our new culture.

by Ashok Gangadean

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Audrey Kitagawa: Human society cannot be in balance and harmony when there are so few women in positions of power and feminine values are so minimized in all areas. So it is not possible to have balance and harmony under these circumstances. It is very important therefore that for harmony and balance to exist that women must be given an equal place with men, because from the spiritual perspective, everything on the energetic plane must be in balance. The male and female, the positive, the negative, because our universal laws are based on harmony and balance, so whenever you have an imbalance of the male and female energies, especially the oppression of women, you're going to see the manifestation of this imbalance being made manifest on the feminine principle in creation, which is Mother Earth. And I believe that there is a connection between all of the problems that we are seeing being made manifest on earth with this imbalance of the male and female energies, and therefore if we are to experience harmony and balance in the earth realm, within our lives, within our planet, then we must be able to equalize the male and female energies. -- This means that we must increasingly give women the opportunity as well as women themselves taking the opportunity to step into the shoes and up to the plate of leadership roles in all segments of society, political, economic, governmental, and be able to accept their role of equal empowerment.

by Audrey Kitagawa

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Benjamin Fahrer: Is human society imbalanced? That’s another question. Is human society in balance? I can’t be in balance when the harmony and in harmony if the feminine is undervalued. If more women were in power and the feminine values were brought to the forefront, we would see more harmony in balance. There are few women in position of power, and feminine values are so minimized. So until these are addressed, we will be imbalance, in imbalance and not in harmony.

by Benjamin Fahrer

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Benson Venegas: As a father of two girls I asked myself the same question. And one of the things I learn, is that women, given their psychological makeup, they often struggle in their development process with issues of self-esteem and self-doubt around power. What is very interesting is that men have a tendency to resolve these same issues of self-esteem and self-doubt with competence, violence, and competition. Women on the other hand have resolved their issues of self-doubt according to relational and spiritual models. But when a world is dominated by men, where these esteem issues are resolved through competition and competence, women are left in disadvantage. So what we really need to change is these conditions where people, women, that also, values, spiritual and relational values, can also be part of the process how boys and girls also approach the issues in their lives.

by Benson Venegas

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Bill Joy: I strongly believe that everyone is capable of contributing and that there are as many smart women as there are smart men. In fact there are more smart women and creative women because there are more women. So a society that wants to be competitive in the increasingly competitive world economy is going to have to take advantage of the best and most creative minds and this will include inherently all the women. So what do we have to do? We have to make sure everybody gets an education, men and women. And we should make sure that as women come into the work force that we try to respect their different ways of thinking and working. It obviously is a male dominated culture in say business today but those companies and societies that educate their women and give them equal opportunity for power will benefit because they’re using all the talent that’s available. So I think that over time this long historic trend of minimizing and not really taking advantage of women will change and I’m very hopeful about that.

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Bora Cosic: I don’t believe that society balance dependence only on women occupying general positions. Much more it depends on the behavior of intelligent people on those positions, the more intelligent people the smaller part of idiots. The question is, are there enough intelligent people for the mass of jobs with high responsibilities? Again I’m trying to avoid ghettoisation of feminine species, and counting how much women posses which position, which is similar to counting of black-, yellow-, red-, or white- skin people in some position. For me it’s much more important that those people are intelligent, and that there are as much as possible of them.

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Catherine David: I believe that it is a good question, a clear question. A fair appreciation in terms of representativeness, it is true that the number of women, [in charge], is quite insufficient. It seems to me that women have different stories in general, different ways to see and possibly different ways to handle. On the other hand, I would have more distance and problems with the question of feminine values which I don't know what exactly they are, which don't always seem very discriminating to me [to be making a big problem] of the weak representation, the weak exploitation of talents, innovations, of women and more problems with the history of feminine value that seems to be another matter as far as I am concerned and a little dangerous ground that we are facing.

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China Keitetsi: I think men should encourage and help, make sure that women get to talk power because women will not make corruption. Women will more care for development and fairness and truth. And women will make less war because women are only interested for peace environment and peace for world and think more very closely to their children. And that I'm sure that no women want to leave a terrible world to their children.

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Constantin von Barloewen: The difficulty to integrate women into the economic process in the western states has very slowly showed up over centuries. The women ratio in the universities, in schools, during economical processes rose only very much hesitating. Some goals were reached but there are still more. One may not forget that in states of Africa, Asia and Latin America the woman is still located in the family tradition, i.e. is merged old traditions which are decades old, these are often very undemocratic and it is not easy to find a balance here between tradition and modern trend. Women from a family tradition are pulled out and integrated in economical processes are not so many as it would be reasonable economicalally and also moral political. The World Bank provided that those companies are most successful, in the states, the periphery, where the women are integrated responsibly into the professional sector. One can only wish that it is more and more strongly advanced, but it is not easy, I think of India, of the old traditions, for instance the marriage ceremony, the burning of widows. There are many examples of discrimination of women. Finding here a leaving of tradition to modern trend, but it would be desirable.

by Constantin von Barloewen

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Cornel West: Well, the issue of the long long history of the oppression of women in which sisters of all colors have been confined to activities of caring and nurturing optative children and providing for men, as men move out into the workplace. The treacherous dog-eat-dog social Darwinian workplace has created tremendous imbalance; and the answer, of course, is not simply to send women out into that same social Darwinian space that just reinforces the same kind of hierarchy between a public life, survival of the fittest and slickest in a private life of women subordination or redefining of care and nurturing to women professionals as in fact highly affluent women move into the workplace. But the question is how does the largest society become more egalitarian and caring; and there is no doubt that when we talk about public caring and public nurturing, the link, the common interest that women voices, feminist voices become indispensable and that patriarchal voices have so much to learn just as they must be rendered accountable to the ideals of caring and nurturing historically associated with women within patriarchal spaces within domestics spheres. But the balance and harmony that we are calling for must have everything to do with justice, with reciprocity and with mutuality, that we must be highly suspicious of ideals of balance and harmony that have to do with order as opposed to justice. So, when we are talking about women’s voices, we are talking about few women in power. It really is very much an issue of justice.

by Cornel West

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Donato Bayu Bay Bumacas: Yes, I think there is really a need for more efforts to maintain balance especially in organizational structure or positions where women are really marginalized and still even if women let's say in an organization -- in a position in the government even if you say women let's take 1:1 ratio of women, women are still in terms of power are marginalized because they are being put in a lower position than being put in a higher position. However, in this continuous changing order, I see also women who are now coming out and becoming the presidents, becoming active in high positions in the organizations, but this -- I would like to share one thing. To attain 1:1 ratio does not mean there is a balance. There is also -- it really depends on who is talking about balance because in our committee -- in our indigenous communities women have their own place, men have their own place which you may not see 1:1 ratio, but still we have balance in our society. So, therefore, the 1:1 ratio is not actually the question of balance. Sometimes, it’s in the culture; sometimes it’s in the state of mind. But I agree really especially in the modern world that women are really marginalized. Still our society are being controlled by men and only few women are in a position. So, there has -- there is really a need to exert more effort to really empower women to be -- and place them in a position where it’s not only having a 1:1 ratio but having women equally in a position where they can also decide. So…

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