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Jonathan Meese: Economic systems should be so as they want to be. We have the economic system of animals, the economic system of plants, the economic system of rocks and the economic system of the nature. The economic systems complete themselves. The human economic system is irrelevant to that of animals. Let political halls be built for animals as well as for the art of tyranny of the thing, for plants as well as for nature of the business. The hall is the location where every economy is able to proceed as well as every politics. Art itself may be the political power in the future. Neither the opinion or existential orientation of the artist nor the wish or the state, that leads to anything, is decisive, but only the affair itself, the utopia of the affair. That means: Art will take and use its power by its own rules. Human being does not play any role. In the political hall of animals everything is about animals, in halls of plants everything is about plants. In these halls human is only a guest. He may take a look into the inside through the window and then he is to leave. He does not play any role. If the economic system is left to itself, it always will be fair. As soon as the human being has a finger in the pie, everything will break down. Human is the most unsavoury animal - he is neither a predator nor a fish. Art is the predator loving us, e.g. 'Zardoz', 'The Being Damned', 'A Clockwork Orange', '120 Days of Sodom', 'Ezra Pound: The most dangerous animal in the world'.

by Jonathan Meese

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Jonathan Stack: I don't know if a conflict -- can we exist without a conflict? Can a world exist where economic system isn't in conflict? I mean just the nature of life is that there is a conflict. This creates energy; this struggle between what you create and what goes into my mouth and through my system and eats me and turns into soil and then create life for new tress, I don't think the question is lack of conflict. The conflict is positive. It's how we manage that conflict and how do we harness the energy that conflict creates that the economics can do a better job of. I think the problem is that we underutilize the power of conflict, not that we want to get rid of conflict itself. I have learned, one of the things I try to do is I put myself into positions of conflict. I have done it consciously and I have done it unconsciously, and either way, I had to figure out a way to take responsibility for the conflict. Now, on a creative level conflict is at the heart of almost all the work that I do. It is basically take the chaos, the sort of disorder, the infinite possibilities of the energy of life itself and then see if you can order it some way that becomes communicable to somebody else so that they can find their own ordering, find their own way to harness the energy of conflict. Personally, that conflict thing is like I have to struggle between conflict and no conflict is my thing and the economics of it is, can I find that sort of zero-point of just to take care of what I need to take care of, so that I don't have to have the anxiety of money, so that I can live according to my own needs. And I will say, when it comes to a person like [inaudible] either earn -- you need to either live according to your needs or earn according to your dreams, and one way or the other, if you can find that sort of harmony, then you can deliver yourself to bigger ideas.

by Jonathan Stack

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José Manuel Prieto: From my point of view, the most important thing to achieve this goal is a participation, a consultation, a elaboration of a system that takes into account the opinion of many persons: animal lovers, philanthropists; people who monitor, who keep an eye on human rights in a way that no one would be ignored. The model would have to be self-regulating, a model that supports its own relativity. It would not be a extortionary model. A model that strives to restore the ecosystem, that took into account the damage that might have been inflicted. But I do not think an economic model like this that is appropriate designable exists. Or could be imagined in an abstract way. I think above all this model is a model with a high degree of feedback, a model that allows for a flexible adaption to upcoming challenges in a way that the most important thing is to account for which these challenges are, what the needs of the different groups are and to design a system that allows a daily control and a daily adjustment of its norms and its behaviour in order to comply with all the necessities of all these groups. It is a system that listens to its citizens, that listens to their opinions and that seeks control and a daily feedback and keeps in contact with its citizens.

by José Manuel Prieto

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Jwan M. Aziz: I think that this question should be answered by a group of economists and persons in charge in the country, but does one has currently economic system which does not contradict him and his life requirements in all matters? i think this question should be answered precisely. Thank you.

by Jwan M. Aziz

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Kailash Satyarthi: This is very important. But, one should know that you can devise some social systems which can be friendly to planet, animals and human beings. But, when it comes to economic system, it's very hard. Rather, impossible. The economic systems are not meant to preserve the nature and preserve the animals, but more to make profit out of it. So, the maintenance of economy, the growth of economy and all the parameters which are set for the economic structures and economic systems are meant to grow more and more profit and more and more production. And, these profits and production are unfortunately badly affecting our nature, badly affecting our planet, animals and human beings. The economic systems are diminishing or dismantling some of our human values, as well as our cultures which promote human values for the benefit of a fewer people who control the economic system. So, it’s very difficult to devise any economic system which can really help. Look at the meat business, look at the fish business, look at the new economy and food market. The animals are being killed and people don’t think about it. And, you cannot think of a situation where the people will suddenly become vegetarian, they will go for more biodiversity productions, agriculture productions, and will forget about killing the animals and killing the nature. And, the economic systems also devised on the basis of consumerism now and making the life more easy in that sense, but that making life easy and consumerism need lot of energy consumption and that is also adversely effecting the planet.

by Kailash Satyarthi

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Kamal Boullata:

by Kamal Boullata

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Kigge Hvid: Hi, Jens, how are you? Up there in Sweden? You in Stockholm? Hi! So, I am Danish. How should it be devised? I think you should know some part of the answers because looking into the Scandinavian Welfare Society that would be one idea. The basic idea of the welfare societies in Scandinavia is that the broadest shoulders should carry the biggest loads. Another idea is that people should have covered their specific needs. I think that’s a way to look into a new and different economic system. Does it cover animal, humans, or planet’s right? I don’t know, but one basic element in covering the rights of everything on earth is democracy. And then you could say but democracy is not always wise. No, you’re right. Democracy is not always right and not always wise either. But this is the only way as I see it. So a basic solution would be to create international and global economic systems where the biggest and broadest shoulders carry the heaviest loads.

by Kigge Hvid

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Kurt Weidemann: Human rights are proclaimed and defended by human rights organizations very articulate. We shouldn't cheat on nature. We shouldn't try to subdue nature. Nature is much stronger than we are and it starts to take revenge through floodings, fires, earthquakes and the like. By these incidents nature makes us aware that we have to take care of it and that we have to protect it. Human rights are succeeding anyway.

by Kurt Weidemann

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Lesego Rampolokeng: Human economics has always been about trafficking. Human economics has always been about the moving of merchandise from those at the bottom of the ramp to those who have placed themselves somewhere at the top. Until a time comes when economics can be about more than just building glass house powered by evil, until such time as the human being is not governed by the need to destroy in order to build it own self, there will never be an economic system that could be put in place that will not conflict with the basic human needs, basic principles that I [guess had] pulling us all out of this mire. When we can devise weapons designed to destroy the entire parliamentary system upon which we have some hopes to subsist, when you can first of all stop regarding animal life on this planet as being dependent upon our wilds, when actually the human being can restructure its own standing and its own mind and economic system shall ever forever remain out of bounds that is designed to create human understanding. I don’t believe in romanticized notions of what constitutes that trafficking of mind, the trafficking of ideas, the trafficking of products, the crawl out of the got of humanity, I’ve…

by Lesego Rampolokeng

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Leung Ping-Kwan: A better economic system should be devised with consideration with other cultural and humanistic values in mind, and again, I think this is a case in which we see the need for industries to present with better studies that economist, not just the economist who is only carrying his own limited skill, but also he has to have the knowledge of what is happening in the world, to conserve more human, animal and planet rights. So for the economist it is quite easy to develop the economic system that suits, and also what the politician [shall], he should have consideration for other humanistic aspects and could not be limited on the financial aspect, has not the money or financial, but rather how they would affect the life of the other creatures on the planet.

by Leung Ping-Kwan

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Lijun Fang: I don't know how man can become a plant or an animal so as to expierence their positions. Therefore, the so-called "economic system", which focuses on human beings, can hardly consider the situations of animals and plants. Maybe we can ask the animals or plants to build their own economic system. In that case, everyone may live in peace with each other.

by Lijun Fang

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Lillian Holt: Wow, this is a wonderful question and if I had the answer to it I would have shared it with the world already, but an economic system in [divide] that isn't in conflict with human, animal and planet rights. You know the very idea that economics in this society seems to be about profit. As I've said to a host of people that when the economy [inaudible] that there is not such thing as community. There is only economy. So this whole thing about economic systems and economic rationalism and the way the world is going is that it's very much in conflict with human, animal and planet rights because, as I said, it's about profit and often that means exploitation and it means control and it's power driven and it's profit driven. So, unless we -- I don't know -- we have to give up something in order or have to have a totally different system and that's going to mean tremendous change for us. It's going to mean that we may have to have a new language as Einstein said. You know Einstein said that the system we have used – the language we have used to build the system is not going to be the one that we are going to use to dismantle it. So it's going to be very, very hard. I mean this is the great challenge I think for the 21st Century. The question of survival without exploitation and only a percentage of the people at the top are benefiting all the time and to have an economy that's is not harmful at all to all the others that you mentioned in this question.

by Lillian Holt

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Livingstone Maluleke: This question is rather confusing. It’s confusing in the sense that one will not clearly understand the economic system that would conflict really with the human rights. But, we also find a situation whereby the legalization of certain acts towards animals is done. So, this depends on the system of the time. It depends on whether it is user-friendly and it also depends on whether this can be integrated with other systems. But, in short, this question really may be confusing in approach and the rights of the animals and the rights of the people. Can we integrate the two rights? Whether the rights have got the same rights as those of the human, whether we can integrate what rights do the animals have? Are we also able to depute the rights of the animals and integrate them with the rights of the people? This is all a set of questions that we need to address in order to get the right point in terms of this aspect and perhaps one need more information, which is integrated so that one is able to come with an informed decision. But, according to me, the animal rights and the human rights may not be one thing coming from one point.

by Livingstone Maluleke

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Mae-Wan Ho: This is probably one of the most important questions at this conference. We are dominated by an economic model that is based on rampant competition and the Darwinian struggle for survival of the fittest. It is based on infinite unsustainable growth. So we need an economic system that tells the ecological truth that reflects the value of the natural resources we are consuming. At the moment, it doesn’t and which is why we are in great trouble. We are in great trouble of swallowing up the whole earth’s resources and endangering our own life as well as the lives of all the plants and animals that inhabit the earth. And there isn’t indeed a way of doing it and it is to change a model from a unrestrained growth, unsustainable growth to a circular economy and which maximizes recycling, maximizes internal input and minimize waste. It is called the zero emission, zero waste model. We have it, we can make it work. Unfortunately, our policy makers are still in the old mind set. They still talk about competitiveness, whereas the real clue to sustainability is to maximize the reciprocal synergistic relationships, the cooperation among peoples, among everybody and we can have a really win-win situation.

by Mae-Wan Ho

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Mahsa Shekarloo: In a nutshell, you create an economic system that’s not based on profit, that’s not based on profit being the primary mover and motivation and drive to the system. If you don’t do that, then, inevitably, the economic system will clash with human, animal and planet rights. The principles of rights are in complete conflict with the principles of efficiency and profit.

by Mahsa Shekarloo

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Mark Benecke: Any structures built by human beings are on the one hand in conflict with the rest of nature, because humans are predators, their are eating and destroying their environment, but that's part of the evolution, that's part of the plan. Now an economic system, any economic system, that is built by humans, will always have this basic problem inside. Humans will always use resources and will have an intense [intension?] to use them up. It's the name of the game, the name of the evolution. Now culturally of course we try to work against this, because now we know that consciously we shouldn't just use up all our resources, because it's going to kill us, but in the end, I personally believe that humans will never deeply care about their environment. If it comes hard on hard, they just going to care about themselves and this will end in deconstruction of the species, but that's not a problem, there are plenty of species left. So economically, I guess, there will always be a system of using resources as long as they can be used. So for example if people from countries that are a little weaker, they just are not interested in taking part of the globalization process as in the sense of an imperialistic globalization and maybe then they going to be happy and not being part of the deconstruction like some countries in Southern America, Colombia for example. They seem to be quite even with their environment and economy isn't that great, but there is room for improvement, they going to improve it and in the end maybe they going to balance it out all by themselves, maybe not globalized.

by Mark Benecke

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Martin Almada: We need badly an economic model based on solidarity and not on exploitation. A neoliberal economic model based on excessive profits violates human rights and is detrimental to the nature. A neoliberal economic model has ended solidarity and has made our peoples individualistic. A neoliberal economic model is detrimental to the environment because of multinational companies which exploit our natural resources and our people. That´s why we have to change the model. I´m from Paraguay, so this neoliberal economic model is also detrimental to our aboriginal population, our natives, our peoples, as in their territory normally can be found petroleum and other valuable natural resources. We have to avoid that in order to end exploitation and promote solidarity.

by Martin Almada

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Masami Saionji: I believe that each nation on the earth should have awareness of living within a "community bound together by common fate". It is wrong that human being insists upon a right and be on the top of animals and all living things. Because of the mistake of human being every present problems are happening; such as the earth abnormal weather, the pollution of the earth, water, air and so on. This is also because of the human being takes the nature as theirs and kills animals, harvests plants, and pursues them. And people repeat greed without evil only for oneself and violate the earth without thinking about the situation which even the same economy produces in various ways. For that reason, the animals and natural environments are violated. To change that, humankinds should thank to animals and have a modest feeling that we take their lives away for our survival. Further more, if we reach the sense of heart that we are living in the earth life community, we are all connected, we are the one together; then animals, plants and human being will be able to live together and harmonize. Therefore, it is important to live with the awareness of the "unification", the consciousness that all is connected as a community bound together by common fate. Also the wealth of a things, the richness of a heart, gratitude, sympathy, and

by Masami Saionji

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Masuma Bibi Russel: I think that all human, animal, and planet rights, I think it’s a basic things. So, economic systems should be respect all the three things. I mean it’s important for this world, to live in this world that we should respect the human dignity as much as animal and as much as planet rights. And I think that we have to -- and it has to be sustainable and it has to be complement each other and I think it’s a system should be really, really respect three rights and I think that’s very important.

by Masuma Bibi Russel