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Aug 30, 2006 3:14:44 PM cite

Why do so many people in foreign countries that don’t have democracy which are also being oppressed by dictators, get so aggressive against the Western World, which wants to spread our way of life (i.e. not living in fear all the time etc.)

by CB123

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Oct 24, 2006 7:51:31 PM cite

Although I am not as learned as some of the individuals in this forum, I will attempt a short answer. I am originally from Central America, and have seen firsthand the extreme poverty and inequality in some nations. You see, the United States is a hegemon, this means that it controls politics and other spheres of influence, through what is usually a mutually beneficial agreement or interest with the nations which would fall under this control... Yet this does not mean that the PEOPLE within these sovereign states reap the benefits. Throughout history the "west" has attempted to impose its viewpoints on other parts of the globe, other civilizations; sometimes with benevolence at the head, sometimes because of pure economic, territorial, political interest. Many of these experiments have failed, for a number of reasons; you cannot impose democracy on a people (also interesting to note that there are no true democracies in the world, most regimes are based on this concept but most, including the United States, are republics) you cannot institute development of nations without taking the local viewpoints into consideration; you cannot instill a sense of trust and cooperation with the west, when the people of these nations are also failed by the corruption and greed of their leaders, something all too common throughout the Third World and throughout history. If you lived in Morocco, Lybia, Tunisia, you would as a matter of course know that the west (in the form of France, Italy, Great Britain etal) ruled your nation for decades or centuries. If you were a Palestinian, you would know that the state of Israel was created from territory which formerly belonged to Palestine. This in no way justifies violence. But it does cause animosity, mistrust, hatred, fanaticism. Human nature is very hard to control but very easy to corrupt... Look into history my friend, and you will find the answers you seek.

by pineda255

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Oct 15, 2006 11:41:32 AM cite

It surprises me to this day how ignorant some people are with regards to the war in for example Iraq. Many still think that Saddam Hussein is responsible for the 9/11 attacks and that he had stores of nukes hidden throughout Iraq. Go read a newspaper and figure out the truth. As for their "aggressiveness" towards the Western World, any and every country that faced with being invaded with guns, bombs, missiles and tanks would react with hostility, regardless the supposed reason behind it. They are losing their children, homes, businesses, stability, and even their culture and very way of life is threatened. Change is hard to come by as it is, but when it is forced upon you it is that much harder to accept. This society has no right to encroach on others because we believe our way is "right". Right how? The American government has a steady stream of propaghanda pumping into the minds of the people in hopes of keeping them afraid, and therefore keeping their support. We are far from right, so how can we tell anyone else to do it our way?

by birdeye8

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Oct 10, 2006 4:39:35 PM cite

Eye live in a foreign democracy - Oz, land of the munchkins - and must utter this old chestnut; democracy is the worst system aside from all the rest. But to this must be added the proviso 'so far'. The democracy of Greece is not that of today. There are few people who actually act as representatives of their constituents. Party politics ensures that a form of demographic dictatorship prevails in western democracies, not real democracy. An electronic democracy based on voting for actual issues still lies in the future - a future in which the technocrats who run the voting system DON'T twist the outcome. Voting for issues instead of faces would change the planet. First, however, we need a truly democratic world governance - we could still call it the United Nationms IF the UN representatives were elected by the people of their countries (at last - a use for a head of state) and IF the insecurity council was also representative of world populations, not just power blocs. See http://newilluminati.blog-city.com

by new illuminati

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  Envy by Nico1 1 vote

Oct 10, 2006 4:11:09 AM cite

Actually, I forgot one main aspect: Endless envy for the achievements of the "Western world".

by Nico1

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Oct 10, 2006 4:09:26 AM cite

I guess mainly for their own stupidness, and also because of the incitation of Islamic fanatics.

by Nico1

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Oct 2, 2006 2:31:33 PM cite

For me, as someone who is a citizen of a democratic country, the real problem is that the situation today is much like that of the old missionary mentality. In the days when missionary went to so called "heathen" countries it was understood that the imposition of cultural norms went hand in hand with spreading the Christian message. Thankfully, we now live in more enlightened times. However, we are still doing the same thing with democracy. This seems to be the new religion and that everything that comes with being a western democratic nation must also be imposed. The problem is though that which is the correct form of democracy? Is it one like the US where it seems that he who raises the most money becomes president? Is it like the UK that has a 1st past the post parlimentary system? Is it like much of Europe that relies on fragile coalitions in order to run the country? Western democratic nations want to bring in democracy believing that it leads to more stablility but if you look at the countries where it has been imposed they are far from stable!

by uksalvationist

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Oct 1, 2006 12:47:39 PM cite

Dear chris, if you want to make a lot of money or get a lot of power or even just be generaly successfull, democracy is the easiest way to get there. It is a whole lot easier to convince the average person of any good/weird idea you may have, than to convince everybody. The reason for this is , no matter what subject you choose, the average person is always a layman at best. This is a society of specialists, remember? So democracy allows you to convince everybody by means of convincing the average person. That is why there is no political strategy more open to corruption than democracy. Thats one fact. Here's another: Did you know that the most successfull policy ever practiced by humans as far as safety, peace, social behaviour and absence of war is concerned, was based on and incorporated interhuman ownership? (Read: slavery) Here's the nasty tail: They were Africans in an African society. Bites doesn't it? Nada democracy, just living in love and peace together. You want to be boss and take responsability, you become the owner. You dont want to cary the weight of responsability even over your own life, you become the slave. Its like what we have, but then honest and all the way. You cant fire a slave you know. Try and imagine, no wars....for thousands of years. Do you think Bush or anyone like him is ever going to let any Africans rule America, peace or no peace.? Yeah right... but maybe now you understand why so many people are so agressive. You see, they're sick and tired of not living the good live in the paradiselike world they could and should live and they blame us......and are right to do so. Still want to spread democracy or our way of life? Try remember this next time somebody ends his life by blowing himself up in someone elses frontyard. Its like an infection,....its supposed to ring a bell,.... but it doesn't. Good question thow. And ah...keep on asking those questions. Its the only way to overcome the part-time idiot that lures in the minds of all of us. Greetings, Berend

by Berend

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Sep 29, 2006 10:57:25 PM cite

This couldn't possibly be a sincere question; I simply refuse to believe that anyone who would find themselves at this website would be so misguided and uniformed. I am shocked that this was brought to the table to waste the time of so many brilliant minds. The answer is eloquently given by Thenmozhi Soundararajan.

by losttortoise

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Sep 24, 2006 3:32:36 PM cite

When the Bible says to be no part of the world (John 17) how can a Christian vote for figures in government? When the Bible says that God will destroy worldly governments in his coming Day of Judgement, how can a Christian support man made government of any kind in any way? When the Bible says to "learn war no more" and to "turn the other cheek", how can a Christian support a government by voting or running for office or pledging allegiance? Why do Christians not believe their own book and if they do believe, why do they not practice?

by jboldery

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Sep 24, 2006 3:24:29 PM cite

There are many answers to this question. I won't attempt to answer it but I will list other questions that this question begs: What makes Democracy the best solution? Why are American's so intent on insisting the world agree with them? Why does man dominate man? Are they really being oppressed? What kind of example has America set that should make the world want to follow? Aren't Democratic States in a dismal condition socially? Why does Christianity have to come with Democracy? Why do Christian governments profane their God? The Cristain God says to be no part of the world. Any government who claims the backing of God does not conform to the Bible. The world isn't resisting Democracy per se, they are resisting hypocrisy.

by jboldery

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Sep 18, 2006 9:11:24 AM cite

I don't have an answer, just more of a comment. Who are we (the western world) to assume that our brand of democracy is for everyone? I see you are from Vancouver, don't know if that is Vancouver, WA USA or Vancouver, BC or perhaps another Vancouver. But in case you are not from the USA you may not be aware that the US Goverment spends a lot of time telling us that we should be afraid. Which, I don't buy but there are a lot of people who spend a lot of time and energy being afraid that terrorists are going to kill them. I just don't think that it is up to the western world to determine how the rest of the world lives.

by Dee

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Sep 16, 2006 10:01:41 PM cite

The explanation is very simple: the western world is aggressive against them. A normal response to aggression is aggression. It is universal, not just limited to humans. If a lion bites another lion, it will be bitten back. Noam Chomsky was once asked the following question: "How do we stop terrorism?" He answered: "Stop participating in terrorism" There are a lot of countries that are not targeted by terrorists, like Switzerland, Norway and Lithuania and many others. Why not? Because they don't do terrorism. "Spreading freedom and democracy" is just a floscule, a propaganda slogan, used to convince people to support terrorism. An example of such propaganda is Bush's "They hate us for our freedom". If that was the case, The Netherlands would probably be attacked by terrorists on a daily basis. We, the human race, have made great technological advances, but sociologically we are still savages. Research has shown that the sense of justice is not unique to humans. Even apes have justice mechanisms. However, chimpanzee do not have a sense of belonging to a chimpanzee species. They do not treat chimpanzees from another herd any differently than other species. They only protect and treat justly (according to their own sense of justice) chimpanzees from the same herd. Everybody else is a competition and an enemy. We, humans, have to some extent developed appreciation for humans in general and for human life. That world view has not gained a lot of traction yet. The animal need for belonging to a specific group and treating everybody outside of that group as competition and enemies still prevails. Examples are numerous. All over the world there's hatred and fighting based on ethnic, racial, and religious differences. Being humane is rational and rationality is not very popular yet. A lot of times different groups treat other groups relatively justly or lives in peace with them just because of their own safety. If, on top of that, some group feels invincible, they tend to care even less about other groups. Examples are all great empires throughout the history. Romans did not care much about human rights of barbarians, they enslaved them, even though they had an advanced judicial system. Napoleon and Hitler invaded practically all of Europe. Europeans/Americans enslaved black people from Africa just because they were techniologically inferior and therefore considered no threat. As a matter of fact, great colonial powers had colonized almost the whole world. They felt invincible. Today, there is practically just one great colonial power, which is The United States. The United States feels invincible and sees the whole world as its playground. It has no regard for rights of other peoples or for human lives. Other countries and peoples are regarded as just pawns in a chess game and a pawn in a chess game can be sacrificed for positional advantage. The motivation is always profit. In order to reach its goal The US will install dictator, overthrow a democratic government or a dictator it previously installed or do anything else it considers effective. This has been going on since WWII ended. Naturally, people in these countries are not happy with that and they fight back however they can. Let us reverse the roles. Today, a vast majority of Europeans are against the actions of The US. Should Europe invade The US and install a government that would protect the interests of European countries? If your government should start doing things you don't agree with, would you want your country invaded by, say, France, or Russia, or China? No, you would want that to be an internal affair. You would want to protect the souverenity of your country. Now, let us consider psychology of the matter. Behavioral psychologists have two methods of modifying behavior, positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement. Negative reinforcement is punishing bad behavior. If you punish bad bahavior, that behavior will eventually stop due ti fear of punishment. Positive reinforcement is rewarding good behavior. If you reward good behavior, eventually good behavior will replace bad behavior because of desire for reward. Can these two methods be applied on nations? Let us assume that the retoric of George Bush and his gang is actually sincere, i.e. that they really want to spread democracy and freedom. How come it does not work. Because they, obviously apply negative reinforcement. "If you don't do what we want you to do, we will attack you." So far it does not seem to work. All these "experiments" show that negative reinforcement does not work. Quite the opposite, the more negative reinforcement is applied, the more bad behavior it results in. Are there any examples of positive reinforcement. Well, there is a huge experiment going on right now in Europe. The European Union offers membership (a reward), which has a lot of benefits, to european countries which promote democracy, freedom, human rights, and peaceful coexistence with their neighbors (good behavior). Does it work? Absolutely. Many countries have made great advances just to please The EU. The benefit of membership has been a great motivation. Therefore, it seems highly unlikely that the US government is sincere about its motivations. Just not getting involved would have been much more effective. Many countries, as your own, Canada, can serve as an example to other nations. But, if we look back a couple of hundreds of years or even much less, these countries have not been so democratic or free. It is a process, which takes time. The same progress is inevitable in other countries too without foreign involvement. Iran, for example, was a much more democratic country some fifty years ago than it is today. It was a secular society. How come we are witnessing a reversal of this process? The involvement of The US in Iran has caused an aversion towards the western world, and The US in particular, which gave rise to radical islam, and Iran is today and has been for quite a while an islamic state. I could go on for pages and pages, but I think this is already enough.

by Fikret

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Sep 14, 2006 3:05:31 AM cite

Perhaps what the people see in fact is Fear, Manufactured for the benefit of Agenda being exported to their land. Perhaps what the fear what they know less than what they are used to. And. Perhaps they fear what they have seen of history and reject it in favor of their own determination. We [the West]are an omnipotent bunch who have failed to listen to the reality of the rest of the world. Perhaps the reason I am writing this answer now, is a start.

by RedSevenOne

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Sep 13, 2006 10:22:00 AM cite

I think the case in Iraq will provide a practical answer to this question. Iraqis felt sad and oppressed under dictatorship of Saddam, But the western Leader G. W. Bush, proved to be even worse!!

by sharaf

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Sep 12, 2006 7:25:39 AM cite

The western world does not have a democracy. The western world has the illusion of choice. Elections are for parties who have predetermined agendas. Voters end up voting for set agendas and not on individual issues. If voters are given an option not to vote, the non voting should indicate no faith in who is available and it does not. Therefore the western world does not have a real democracy. The picture painted of other countries is that because they lack choice they are repressed, therefore it is justified that the western world should "save" those people. In real terms, the intervention of the west is usually with armed forces and is seen as more repressive and aggressive than the "dictatorship" ever was. The question is, why would anyone swap one "dictatorship" for another?

by Plenipotentiary22

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  Democracy by Sami 0 votes

Sep 12, 2006 4:01:17 AM cite

We cant force democracy on a people who dont want it. That kind of defeats the purpose of it makes us no better than their 'oppressive dictators.' The Western World which wants to spread our way of life? Now you're just sounding like a Puritanical crazy who wants to impose their own lifestyle on everyone else. Not cool.

by Sami

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Sep 11, 2006 6:51:11 AM cite

you answered why that is so, therefore know why. Because you have no respect or consideration for other ways of life in that you push your way on to others. people resist forceful change. so if you stop "wanting " to "spread" yours the world may attain a more peaceful state. nannymary

by nannymary

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Sep 9, 2006 7:58:39 PM cite

I live in the Western Hemisphere however I believe understand part of the reason for resistance to our way of life. More often than not, our "Democracy" is nothing more than disguised capitolism. Look at who is really involved in bringing our form of prosperity to other nations. Somehow I don't think other peoples are willing to have their lives dictated by economics as we do.

by notcriswell

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Sep 9, 2006 5:49:12 PM cite

Without economic freedom there is no true political freedom. When the power to issue money has been centralized under commercial banks, which create money out of thin air and saddle, people, businesses and govt. with debts...then how are you free??? www.freedomtofascism.com Both communism, corporate fascism and wars are financed by bankers

by Atma

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