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Jun 24, 2007 10:31:11 AM cite

Are Animal Rights an indispensable basic of civilization?

by mbl

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  .. by lice 0 votes

Oct 26, 2009 12:17:28 AM cite

its true it is hypocritical to destroy nature and condemn people for eating meat. i strongly disagree with the mistreatment of animals( this is widespread and documented in the meat industry) but it is the natural cycle of life. i have the power to chose and i chose not to eat meat. besides a healthy body complements a healthy mind.

by lice

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Jun 25, 2009 12:12:45 PM cite

I answer your question on pages 192-195 of this free philosophy book which I am distributing. Una Tapicería De Pensamientos on Scribd" href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/16715330/A-Tapestry-of-ThoughtsUna-Tapiceria-De-Pensamientos-" >A Tapestry of Thoughts/Una Tapicería De Pensamientos

by Gonarthouse

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Oct 7, 2007 6:02:45 PM cite

It seems that many people are concerned with Global Warming. They even take it for fact. They are anxious and huge amounts of money are pumped into the fight against the so called climate crisis.

Now - everybody knows that cattle produce large amounts of marsh gas which is a very big factor - together with CO2 - for global warming. Imagine the billions of cattle and other animals raised for food... and how they increase global warming.

This is not totally serious because I am convinced that we don't have a climate crises but only natural fluctuations. But people who believe in global warming can not continue to eat meat! -)

by mbl

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Oct 2, 2007 7:14:34 AM cite

Did you know that 41 billion animals are killed for food each year in the U.S. alone?

In factory farms, chickens, turkeys, and pigs are crammed into filthy windowless sheds and tiny metal cages and crates. Chickens and turkeys have their throats slit while they are still conscious and are often scalded to death; pigs have their teeth, tails, and testicles cut off without any painkillers; and cows are often skinned alive. Live fish are hacked apart and crushed to death on the decks of industrial fishing boats or are crammed into disgusting fish farms for their entire lives.

On World Farmed Animals Day, October 2, animal advocates around the world will speak out for the billions of animals who are cruelly and unnecessarily killed for their flesh every year.

By adopting a vegetarian diet, you can save more than 100 animals each year; by encouraging your friends and family members to follow your lead, you can help save thousands more. Check out our fun and easy ideas for spreading the word about the cruelty involved in eating meat: PETA

This is an action from PETA. The numbers are enormous and nearly unbelievable. Time to take action, isn't it!

by mbl

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Sep 21, 2007 12:03:08 AM cite

animals are just humans too. or: humans are just animals. that means, on biological view humans are nothing else but animals. That means, that animal rights are definitely a basic of a civilization. It is the SAME thing as with slavery, blacks or women. we have to take care about animals, too! .schatten

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Sep 18, 2007 10:43:25 PM cite

"A person can only be ethical if he or she holds nature as sacred." Albert Schweitzer "Animal rights" is in itself an anomaly to the human condition. Most humans already have no respect for animals, let alone any empathy for any suffering we inflict on them. By Schweitzer's estimate of ethics (above), humans themselves are no longer in any meaningful way a part of the nature which animals still inhabit. As alienated and unnatural beings, most humans no longer hold anything in nature sacred. Therefore, ethics are not ours to possess simply because we happen to wish to declare something to be "ethical". Ethics are not a "feel good" issue. You either have them or you do not. Animal rights would not even be up for discussion if, in fact, we WERE a "civilisation". What is civilisation? Humans world wide seem to think it "civil" to torture, maim, eat, use as beasts of burden, and otherwise horrifically abuse animals. Then a certain number choose to protest what the rest see as "normal" or "natural". We have long ago lost the instinct to only take what we need from nature and to treat it with gratitude and reverence. Only animals any longer operate on such healthy instincts as to take only what is needed. We have become inferior to animals in every way which truly matters. Entrusted with the sacred trust of "dominion" over the earth, we have destroyed its inhabitants and their habitat, all in the name of dominance and so called superiority.

by Mia Nony

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Sep 16, 2007 5:11:09 PM cite

Many contributors to this thread have gone on about Animal concentration camps and Torture, but no-one has given any examples or defined just what do you mean by troture ? I have seen many farms where animals are raised for meat, and have never witnessed anyone beating or injuring the livestock. Perhaps you could give some examples and specifics of the offenses you claim exist.

by thedoc

Sep 6, 2007 11:37:58 PM cite

we should not view animals as mere suppliants of foodstuff, workforce or parts to dismantle for clothing, tools etc. if we want to strive for a bright future for human civilization. the reasons for this argument are too many to mention here, but just an example to illustrate my point: the us base in okinawa is being expanded. the resident dugongs and 3 sea turtle species will perish because of that. how is that for animal rights? (btw, you CAN make a change by just participating in the Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA) for the proposed airbase site. goto: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/gmaps/take-action-save-the-dugongs?utm_source=gpi-cyberactivist-list&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sept06 =

by aea

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  yes by pabloperez 0 votes

Sep 2, 2007 1:58:14 PM cite

yes

by pabloperez

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Sep 1, 2007 6:11:07 PM cite

As some commentators already understood Animal Rights are not really about being a vegetarian. They are about keeping domestic and wild animals appropriate to the species. So - if humans want to eat meat they have to treat the animals appropriately and also to kill them softly. The reality now however is different for a large number of animals. They are kept in concentration camps, they are tortured and they are killed without care. And - of course - the conditions for animals in research or for fur production are even worse.

THIS HAS TO BE CHANGED !

And each individual can do this easily by not eating meat - by not wearing fur - by not using products with test animals - as long as these conditions exist.

by mbl

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Aug 23, 2007 5:51:45 PM cite

I'm a clever monkey. I can draw pictures, create new tools, invent new words, create new life and teach it my knowledge. However, within creation destruction must co-exist, by drawing pictures I alter the enviroment in which they exist, to create a new tool I must take resources from nature, to invent new words I must abuse the alphabet and language in which it exists. There is not right answer, just a healthy balance. For light to exist, darkness must also be present. Or else it's all just grey - nature will not tolerate greyness. In summary, it's an irrelevant conversation to attempt to save creatures when we can't guarantee that effort will be spread universally. We're still allowing thousands to live in poverty and without medicines, we still farm animals by the thousands and test our chemicals upon them, destroy habitats and ravage the earth. Nature will resolve itself, if 'she' deems that we are a problem, we will be dealt with swiftly and with venom, without justice or predujice. Vegetarian or carnivore we shall all meet the same fate. Nature is universal, we must learn from her lead or suffer her cruel hand.

by nabu

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Aug 21, 2007 1:02:36 PM cite

We have gotten to involved trying to survive amongst our own fellow humans that we have forgotten that animals are are part of this world too. I think everyone just gets caught up in the way society tells us we should be living, instead of actually respecting our fellows friends of other species and actually living together on this planet, contributing as a whole. it seems it isn't a circle of life, but yet a triangle, with us humans on top draining all beneath us. I encourage everyone who has a friend who has not stepped outside of a city to appreciate the beauty in nature, or even the happy lives of well taken care of domestic animals, to show them about how we can all live on this planet together and benefit from each other. We as humans don't need to murder animals to survive, we just mass produce them for cheap food and fashion.

by MYR

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Aug 20, 2007 3:55:07 PM cite

Animal rights could never be more under rated. I think in our ancestral history is deeply rooted in the rights and respect of the animals that inhabit our earth. If we totally loose the capability to protect and preserve animal’s rights then there is no hope for civilization. I feel that animal rights have become less and less important within each generation. As the global society grows it must incorporate the needs of all life, not just humans. Yes, Animal Rights are indispensable to basic and advanced civilization.

by jnthnbush

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Aug 12, 2007 7:52:07 AM cite

Animal Welfare, Protection, and 100% Free Access to Medical Care should be available to every animal on the planet. See Global Peace Global Healing Mission statement. Sakanta Running Wolf Bell-Gumaer, MD, Metis, Founder, Director.

by SAKANTA RUNNING WOLF

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Aug 11, 2007 12:59:08 PM cite

This question is phrased a little strange so I don't think I have an answer to this question. However, I would like to say I think I get the basic idea of macphisto's friend. I am a vegetarian. I am not against people eating meat. Humans have incisors as to carnivorius 'animals' (as if we aren't) and humans also have cuspids and molars much to the same effect as herbivores. The reason I am a vegetarian is partly because of the way animals are treated before slaughter. Today's meat has been injected with sterioids, hormones and many other things that are highly unnatural. Also, in the past there wasn't a need to mass produce meat and in doing so treat the animals with very respect. I don't want to go on a rant; I am not a extremist supporter of PETA. The bottom line for me is this: it isn't natural to consume meat the way the majority of people do today. Hell, if organic meat was more readibly available and affordable on a college student's budget I would probably eat it once in awhile.

by beatnik

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Aug 4, 2007 3:51:10 AM cite

It seems that this discussion on animal rights is based on killing animals for the consumption of meat. In that sense I feel that it should be pointed out that all life survives on death. Carnivores hunt and kill animals to eat, Herbivores graze on plants for food eating and killing living tissue, Plants draw nutrients from the soil, the nutrients ? dead plant and animal tissue. All life depends on death. Do you think that killing a plant is better than killing an animal? much has been done to insure that animals are slaughtered as quickly and humanly as possible. Has anything been done to promote humane killing in nature? If an animal is brought down by a lion or a wolf, if it is lucky it's throat will be ripped out and it will die quickly, or it's rear legs will be torn apart and it will lie there in agony while the predators rip it's belly open and feed on the entrals. Do you think that harvesting plants is better? Many are chopped off at the stem and torn apart to get the good parts, or fruits torn from the branches. But plants don't have feelings, or do they? They are not aware, or are they? Vegetarians eat salads, fruit, and beans, all living tissue till you crush it in your teath. Or do you prefer to kill it by bioling it in water or oil. Salad dressing, oils pressed from plants, Olives, living tissue torn from the tree and crushed to press out the oil. Do you like wine? grapes, living organisms, torn from the vine, crushed and fermented (infected with a yeast for decomposition) for your pleasure. Quit arguing about what you are going to kill to live. If you don't want to kill anything, Good Luck. As for me I'll eat a little of everything.

by thedoc

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Jul 31, 2007 4:33:15 AM cite

What animal of the Narcotis Cult targets are you speaking of? The Year of the Ox? The Year of the Dragon? The Year of the Rooster? The Year of he Sheep? What actor is born in the Year of the Sheep? The Year of the Tiger? The Year of the Dog? The Year of the Snake? What actor is born in the Year of the Snake? The Year of the Horse? What actors is born in the Year of th Monkey? The Year of the Monkey? The Year of the Rat? The Year of the Rooster? The Year of the Rabbit? Find out what actors were born in what year & find out what the Narcotics Cult Pedohiles are up to with what "Kid." Disseminate the information widely.

by NeverCrusade

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Jul 10, 2007 2:43:34 AM cite

Sometimes one puts a question, as here, but answers or comments it at the same time. I do not think such behavior is in line with the spirit of this excellent forum. It just makes a show and creates the illusion of a lively discussion. Anybody can talk to himself. Such self-mirroring is no dialogue.

by Sirius

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