Sep 16, 2007 5:11:09 PM cite

Many contributors to this thread have gone on about Animal concentration camps and Torture, but no-one has given any examples or defined just what do you mean by troture ? I have seen many farms where animals are raised for meat, and have never witnessed anyone beating or injuring the livestock. Perhaps you could give some examples and specifics of the offenses you claim exist.

by thedoc

Sep 1, 2007 6:11:07 PM cite

As some commentators already understood Animal Rights are not really about being a vegetarian. They are about keeping domestic and wild animals appropriate to the species. So - if humans want to eat meat they have to treat the animals appropriately and also to kill them softly. The reality now however is different for a large number of animals. They are kept in concentration camps, they are tortured and they are killed without care. And - of course - the conditions for animals in research or for fur production are even worse.

THIS HAS TO BE CHANGED !

And each individual can do this easily by not eating meat - by not wearing fur - by not using products with test animals - as long as these conditions exist.

by mbl

Aug 12, 2007 7:52:07 AM cite

Animal Welfare, Protection, and 100% Free Access to Medical Care should be available to every animal on the planet. See Global Peace Global Healing Mission statement. Sakanta Running Wolf Bell-Gumaer, MD, Metis, Founder, Director.

by SAKANTA RUNNING WOLF

Aug 11, 2007 12:59:08 PM cite

This question is phrased a little strange so I don't think I have an answer to this question. However, I would like to say I think I get the basic idea of macphisto's friend. I am a vegetarian. I am not against people eating meat. Humans have incisors as to carnivorius 'animals' (as if we aren't) and humans also have cuspids and molars much to the same effect as herbivores. The reason I am a vegetarian is partly because of the way animals are treated before slaughter. Today's meat has been injected with sterioids, hormones and many other things that are highly unnatural. Also, in the past there wasn't a need to mass produce meat and in doing so treat the animals with very respect. I don't want to go on a rant; I am not a extremist supporter of PETA. The bottom line for me is this: it isn't natural to consume meat the way the majority of people do today. Hell, if organic meat was more readibly available and affordable on a college student's budget I would probably eat it once in awhile.

by beatnik

Aug 4, 2007 3:51:10 AM cite

It seems that this discussion on animal rights is based on killing animals for the consumption of meat. In that sense I feel that it should be pointed out that all life survives on death. Carnivores hunt and kill animals to eat, Herbivores graze on plants for food eating and killing living tissue, Plants draw nutrients from the soil, the nutrients ? dead plant and animal tissue. All life depends on death. Do you think that killing a plant is better than killing an animal? much has been done to insure that animals are slaughtered as quickly and humanly as possible. Has anything been done to promote humane killing in nature? If an animal is brought down by a lion or a wolf, if it is lucky it's throat will be ripped out and it will die quickly, or it's rear legs will be torn apart and it will lie there in agony while the predators rip it's belly open and feed on the entrals. Do you think that harvesting plants is better? Many are chopped off at the stem and torn apart to get the good parts, or fruits torn from the branches. But plants don't have feelings, or do they? They are not aware, or are they? Vegetarians eat salads, fruit, and beans, all living tissue till you crush it in your teath. Or do you prefer to kill it by bioling it in water or oil. Salad dressing, oils pressed from plants, Olives, living tissue torn from the tree and crushed to press out the oil. Do you like wine? grapes, living organisms, torn from the vine, crushed and fermented (infected with a yeast for decomposition) for your pleasure. Quit arguing about what you are going to kill to live. If you don't want to kill anything, Good Luck. As for me I'll eat a little of everything.

by thedoc

Jul 10, 2007 2:43:34 AM cite

Sometimes one puts a question, as here, but answers or comments it at the same time. I do not think such behavior is in line with the spirit of this excellent forum. It just makes a show and creates the illusion of a lively discussion. Anybody can talk to himself. Such self-mirroring is no dialogue.

by Sirius

Jul 10, 2007 2:26:56 AM cite

A civilization which does not honor human rights will never agree on animal rights. So the acceptance of human rights has the top priority. And there is still a long way to go. But all is interconnected and part of one creation. All life is sacred. And in a developed civilization, which deserves this term, the consciousness of total interdependence and of the oneness of Life will prevail in the end and, naturally, animals will be respected and cherished and given rights. Vegetarian food will gain acceptance because of a change in perception of animal life.

by Sirius

Jun 29, 2007 10:21:25 PM cite

A former vegetarian explained her views to me: People will not stop eating meat. Yes, a good amount of people are vegetarians, but still they are a small minority. There are too many people who enjoy meat for it to stop being eaten all together. Instead of not eating meat we need to work to improve how our animals our treated before slaughter (if that is the said reason for becoming a vegetarian). It is harder to get people to abstain from eating meat to take a stand instead of contact meat suppliers and producers. Another way to support more ethical treatment of animals is to eat meat that has been raised in a more ethical manner.

by macphisto

Jun 26, 2007 8:04:42 AM cite

A very important aspect of Animal Rights is also hunting which is considered as a sport. The hunters in Europe claim that there would be too much game animals if they where not hunting. I cannot prove if this is right but intuitively I don't like the idea of hunting. And of course there is the hunting of wild game like bears or animals in Africa. This is real terrorism for the animals. And what is it good for? Thrill by killing?
And of course there is the hunting of the whales which is especially barbaric, because whales are a species of very high intelligence or as Elias says:

your creatures of your whales and your dolphins are a projection of you; therefore, they are an aspect of you.
Now; that aspect of you desires to be, in a manner of speaking, fragmented and therefore be essence. It is generated from you. It is not that these creatures have been inhabiting your planet, so to speak, separate and apart from yourself and in one moment have decided “I choose to be essence now.” No. They are already aspects of you.
They in themselves are not essence but they are consciousness. They merely are not incorporating an energy personality tone as do you, and therefore they are not generating other manifestations or other attentions simultaneous to themselves, for they are one of your attentions. That attention of you, in conjunction with you, expresses a desire to be a personality energy tone, and you, in agreement and in association with YOUR desire, express compliance with that. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, it is a type of fragmentation.

by mbl

Jun 24, 2007 11:59:41 AM cite

In the last decades research about animals discovered so many abilities of animals and how they organize themselves in a very intelligent way so that they cannot be seen any longer as a "thing".

by mbl