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your definition
just living causes suffering and pain so by your def live is violence...
invention
Cute answer but do you really believe man invented love? ever see animals show love? However hate well that is more likely. Love that you love though love you too!
god
please answer another question where you know something. Hinduism has so many gods you cant keep it straight who is who. one god hardly!
response
Enjoyed your writing, does make sense when considering you fit people into a personality type class. but what about someone being a unique individual unlike anyone else? their own person transcending fixed sociological personality types.
slavery
Only if they personally have enslaved someone. How can someone be responsible for someone else's actions? If your neighbor is the same color as you and he kills his wife should you be punished for it?
Are you nuts?
Are you nuts? A bat isn't violent he is hungry. The only violence is senseless violence and the only animal that does that is MAN.
enlightenment reply to the doc
The states of enlightenment are many and you are right they are quite indescribable using words but experiences can clue you in. Do you think that we are more important than the world or the universe? Is there no spirituality to the world and the universe?
you cant answer you mean
We cannot answer this question because your term ‚America’ isn’t clear. Which continent do you mean? North or South America? And which country in one of theese 2 continents called 'America'? 'America' for 'USA' is politically and geographically not correct. The same with 'American'. Please speak for yourself don’t say “we” I can answer this question because even though there are several Americas I am intuitive enough to understand the one the questioner is referring to and I have. Don’t look now but your false sense of superiority is showing you pretentious person.
economic not relogious
All you need in the USA is a period of enlightenment which would enable you to get rid of your white protestant religions - all those sects and all those strange preachers that you have. This would enable you also to get rid of your overly expressed patriotism which is maybe the expression of guilt because the country didn't belong so to speak to the people who came from Europe. Yes, switch the light on! This is of course valuable in a slightly different way also for Europe. So far we don't have at least the influence of all those sects out there. Bigotry is not the answer you are prejudiced. The usurpation of freedom is not from a religious nature that is the tool used by the corporations and governments that enslave us all throughout the world. This is not my thought alone see website and movie “the corporation” for enlightenment. The problem is economic not religious. Switch on your light…
live with nature
If possible I would like to live with you according to the way of nature to me the Native American way of life is a better way. You are right on.
Power to the people right on Mr. Mt. Man
You are right and impeachment is right too BUT. It won’t correct anything. The next pres. will be just the same. The last Pres that got elected by the people wham bullet in the head by the same corporate elite that has been electing every president since then and causing the whole mess. I implore use your energy and talent to investigate the corporations that run this country. Please go to www.thecorporation.com my brother.
quite so
O ye who care for law know not the relm of justice for law is the tool of men. Justice all onipotent be the way of nature .
ha
when i am inlove the whole world changes is more colorful i am doing my job faster the feelings that we have when we are inlove couldnot be compered for me the feeling of being alive is the strongest when i truly love someone HA, LOVE IS BLIND AND SO ARE YOU. SO EGOCENTRIC TO THINK THE WORLD HAS CHANGED NOT YOU!
mask
Thank you umonahoes. someone is reading. The mask credit goes to Carl Jung. Let your light shine un shaded.
response to the Doc
No I did not miss the point the purpose of mythology is to put one in accord with the cosmos, nature the physical world, the collective consciousness and your personal psyche. The result is you existing in harmonic balance with the universe the world and all its creatures’ humanity and in essence everything. Mythology is not a message from god it is a message from your ancestors saying you need to realize who you are and be one with nature from whence you came from the womb of the universe where your atoms were brewed from the womb of your biological mother the earth (Mother Nature) and get one with yourself as well. To say that mythology is only internal is so egotistical, mans place among the varied species of the world and the complexity of the universe is almost insignificant. You can’t separate man from nature man is nature. When man is estranged from nature he is estranged from himself. He is out of balance out of tune. Although there are innumerable myths there is the singular purpose of myth and that is to put one in accordance with nature and you don’t need theology (religion) to do this. Seems the Doc has confused mythology with theology.
piont is not a message from god
No I did not miss the point the purpose of mythology is to put one in accord with the cosmos, nature the physical world, the collective consciousness and your personal psyche. The result is you existing in harmonic balance with the universe the world and all its creatures’ humanity and in essence everything. Mythology is not a message from god it is a message from your ancestors saying you need to realize who you are and be one with nature from whence you came from the womb of the universe where your atoms were brewed from the womb of your biological mother the earth (Mother Nature) and get one with yourself as well. To say that mythology is only internal is so egotistical, mans place among the varied species of the world and the complexity of the universe is almost insignificant. You can’t separate man from nature man is nature. When man is estranged from nature he is estranged from himself. He is out of balance out of tune. Although there are innumerable myths there is the singular purpose of myth and that is to put one in accordance with nature and you don’t need theology (religion) to do this. Seems the Doc has confused mythology with theology.
piont is not a message from god
No I did not miss the point the purpose of mythology is to put one in accord with the cosmos, nature the physical world, the collective consciousness and your personal psyche. The result is you existing in harmonic balance with the universe the world and all its creatures’ humanity and in essence everything. Mythology is not a message from god it is a message from your ancestors saying you need to realize who you are and be one with nature from whence you came from the womb of the universe where your atoms were brewed from the womb of your biological mother the earth (Mother Nature) and get one with yourself as well. To say that mythology is only internal is so egotistical, mans place among the varied species of the world and the complexity of the universe is almost insignificant. You can’t separate man from nature man is nature. When man is estranged from nature he is estranged from himself. He is out of balance out of tune. Although there are innumerable myths there is the singular purpose of myth and that is to put one in accordance with nature and you don’t need theology (religion) to do this. Seems the Doc has confused mythology with theology.
right on
Just when I was about to give up this forum a light from a seer shines my way. So good to know I am not the only one who feels this way, spread the word my friend right you are to the letter. Thanks for the drop you most excellent contributor
wait you forgot ...
If you cant think of something good to say... Never heard of someone not wanting freedom, wonder why?
more imput please
Are you saying knowledge is practical where wisdom is still in the experimental stages as we haven’t perfected the correct application or implementation of wisdom in a practical sense? Alas my vocabulary is perhaps not up to par but I see you have a point to make and would like to hear it.
reply to "doc"
My information and conduct while not perfect will be judged along yours and stand in good stead, remember doc you verbally assaulted me in response several times and I replied indicating that one should have nice not abusive comments, and this is how you respond. You are not the moderator of this website. PS: your ego is showing.
stone age mentailty
Killing does not solve the problem, never has never will. war and terrorism is not the solution, to suggest that it is shows lack of insight to the root of the problem that no one seems to want to explore but only fight and argue. I do not want to fight or argue. I believe the only way this situation will resolve is with peaceful dialogue, not angry words or violent actions. But hey, if you approve of war that your business and karma, unfortunately violent people cause much harm to those who promote peace.
sound reply
Yes, I see you know your history and you have sound reasoning. As for the solution please consider a new post, Dialogue can help, fighting is not working, let’s explore the possibility for a peaceful solution.
cool idea
I think you have touched on an important exercise anyone can do. Like striping away the veils of illusion that “you” and society place upon this world.
insight
Good thoughts, nice to see someone with a bent for dialogue who makes sense. Yes there is much wrong with capitalism today. Seems the problem lies with the large corporations that have become powerful entities, often more powerfully than governments. Not too sure if there is enough food and clothing to go around unless wars were to be eliminated but I agree it is not profitable to feed the poor. I am wary of global solutions as it seems a way for malicious institutions such as the UN, the World Bank to wrongly impose their biased solutions on “developing countries”. When big business went global that freed them from prosecution in the country where their offices reside allowing them to own slaves in countries such as China as an example. Slavery is against the law in the US but it is OK to enslave foreigners. The question now seems to be how to stop these corporations from abusive actions. I have been promoting the return to the old form of Capitalism where the consumer regulates the corporation by selective purchasing. If you don’t like a corporation and what they do boycott the product. If enough people did this the solution would be at hand, these corporations would do right or go bankrupt. However “someone” would have to care and therein lies the rub. It seems it is left on “our” doorstep.
locks
Oh I get it ha ha, there are a lot of people who would say there is no such thing as a redundant lock. People from New York for instance, My Joke...
mans fall from nature a biblical myth
Man has become so far apart from nature he is destroying not only nature but himself, he is a pathiological killer. The human being has evolved a complex brain and has a superior intelligence capacity that his animal brothers do not possess. This intelligence puts man apart from the animals and in certain respects apart from nature. This is the fall of man, the fall away from natural behavioral tendencies towards the ways of following one’s own path using decision making, intelligence and wisdom. Eating from the tree of knowledge.
Slander by the dock
Come on dock why don’t you stop acting childish, I could care less what you think; I know the opposite of every truth is just as true so have your truth. Slander away, I can take it and even enjoy it, it only makes me stronger. PS: You are not the god of this website, keep this slander up and you may be kicked of it; your slanderous comments are not conducive to adult dialogue.
thanks
I just came back to my orogional thread and was gratified to read this thanks Thai sean
EGo
A person’s lack of understanding and a loving companionate nature often comes from his selfish desire, a dark ego. That is what’s wrong with that. This type of a person will never be loved in return and is missing out on life. People can wear many masks, often one over another. There is the mask you show to yourself that reflects what you want to be like when you were a kid looking into the mirror. Imagining being a cowboy or whatever. Then there is the mask you show to your parents depicting innocence not guilt. The mask you show your boss, your lover, priest, etc. Actually most people have a set of masks they wear and are therefore split personalities. You wear them because you need a face to portray images what you want to be to yourself and others. This is a dangerous occupation. You may perceive yourself to be a myriad of personalities capable of a varied lifestyle but who are you? Perhaps it would be best to have never worn a mask and just be yourself and be judged honestly by your own merits. This is more satisfying personally and greatly appreciated by others. Then you are one of a kind instead if squeezing your face into a mold. So if you decide you are tired of being someone else you will need to peel away these many masks and discover who you really are and well then you would be one with yourself. Now taking it a step further you can become one with others as well and this oneness goes much farther
what question are you answering
Equality of the sexes would not solve this problem women are just as racist as men. Your answer is so far from the question I had to go back and look at the question. I suggest you answer a question that has to do with your agenda.
youth
Ah the power of youth, Cant controll others cant controll yourself cant get laid dont have money, no one takes you seriously, in love with yourself, in hate with your self, Ah the power of youth.
what is death
April, love that name so full of spring, the birth of life. Death is not a dreadful thing to fear it is the natural end to your body that has decayed past its use. It will be useless to you so why hang on to it, we are so attached to our body we forget there is more to us. In the fall when leaves turn to bright crimson and gold things die only to be born again in April.
I can show you one
A Buddah was walking down the road and saw a dead dog in the ditch and said how wonderfull another soul is waiting to be reborn.
gordian knot
untying the Gordian knot resisted all attempted solutions until the year 333 B.C., when Alexander the Great cut through it with a sword.
light bulb
Whoa April I had to think but then this light bulb appeared over my head and I got it. If I had more energy I would communicate.
I disagree
What we abnormally refer to as the emotions of crying and laughter are expressions of our tortured ego. We cry when something upsets our fragile ego and laugh at others woes when they satisfy it. But then there is the harmless joke, have you heard the one about the monk in N.Y. at the hot dog stand who said “make me one with everything”?
lets party
celebrating hollidays will end racism? Lets party, there are so many if you include them all we wont need to work or learn!
He is
Yes the presidential office and therefore the president are symbolic of equality. The emancipation proclamation states the rights of peoples of all color to have the rights of citizenship, not privileges. To have a governmental system based on privilege would mean that there are those with privilege and those without privilege that some people are allowed more privileges. The way symbology works is a bit tricky. A symbol points to the origin and in this case it is the equality that the office of the president relates to and that is correct but to get lost in the symbol is a common mistake. What is important is not the symbol the office or the president in this case. What is important is equality and it will take us all to achieve it. I hope we do!
What?
The problem obviously is that we think we are different when we are not. We all have the same desires but believe we are different as per what serves us. The conflicts are because we fail to see we are one and are bent on proving we are not by achieving a state of apparent estrangement. It has become extremist to think we are one human race. Anyone proficient in the understanding of genetic biology knows we are far more alike than different, Hitler thought otherwise I may comment. Forcing ideology of other people on anyone may be correctly considered wrong but what about people learning about the ideology beliefs and mythologies of varied peoples. They might find out we are not so different. That the race would die out without diversity is hilarious because nothing on this world is diverse, you are using diverse to mean different when the correct term is varied. The genetic variations are not diverse they are varied and interdependent. When geneticists refer to diverse they don’t mean different they mean varied, genetic variations. It is all one big ball of life interacting in harmonious synergistic relationships. What is different is mans current actions that don’t follow the natural configuration, he does not realize that everyone is related to everything, and therefore act interpedently. As far as race would stagnate and die out, "THE END”. Mental stagnation not genetic is likely and so what this may be our destiny, no big deal to the rest of the world. Genetic lines end, they are born and therefore are destined die out. We all think to highly of ourselves anyway, it’s like death it will happen you can’t dwell on it. As far as Doc’s scientific reality goes, no comment.
What?
The problem obviously is that we think we are different when we are not. We all have the same desires but believe we are different as per what serves us. The conflicts are because we fail to see we are one and are bent on proving we are not by achieving a state of apparent estrangement. It has become extremist to think we are one human race. Anyone proficient in the understanding of genetic biology knows we are far more alike than different, Hitler thought otherwise I may comment. Forcing ideology of other people on anyone may be correctly considered wrong but what about people learning about the ideology beliefs and mythologies of varied peoples. They might find out we are not so different. That the race would die out without diversity is hilarious because nothing on this world is diverse, you are using diverse to mean different when the correct term is varied. The genetic variations are not diverse they are varied and interdependent. When geneticists refer to diverse they don’t mean different they mean varied, genetic variations. It is all one big ball of life interacting in harmonious synergistic relationships. What is different is mans current actions that don’t follow the natural configuration, he does not realize that everyone is related to everything, and therefore act interpedently. As far as race would stagnate and die out, "THE END”. Mental stagnation not genetic is likely and so what this may be our destiny, no big deal to the rest of the world. Genetic lines end, they are born and therefore are destined die out. We all think to highly of ourselves anyway, it’s like death it will happen you can’t dwell on it. As far as Doc’s scientific reality goes, no comment.
Christianity
That was tried once it was called the inquisition and the crusades where the Christians slaughtered thousands of innocent people.
further thought
Well I rambled and a mask isnt that bad if you realise that you are wearing one, but even then why not be yourself then the real you will be apreciated not the false you that is the mask. Like the threads direction good question and a good question oft beats the answer...
bigotry
"And how many other derogatory terms for other people " Thats you doc when you called me inferior.
soup
dont you mean campbells soyp for you dont seem to grasp the meaning of the word myth.
not fact metaphor
Campbell says that myths are not facts they are metaphors this is not confusing you just have to use a different perspective. The Greek word persona means mask get it. Hindus don’t believe God is in us all they believe all is God there is a difference. Buddha didn’t teach enlightenment he taught the method to end suffering and that is done by eliminating unwholesome desire.
bigotry
I object to your use of the word beastly to describe greed, this is animal bigotry.
???
Never heard of planned parenthood? They operate in many countries provice free condome and prevent disease. Less kids to feed and more food, what is wrong with that?
yes see the front page to this site.
In the front page of this site is a woman with her thumbnail hooked in her upper tooth. I forget what people believe this but to some it is an insult. It means I would rather eat the dirt under my thumbnail than acknowledge you. Perhaps I got it wrong if anyone knows what it means please comment.
Your shadow
Your shadow hides deep within your psyche, you put it there. You are trying to forget it even exists. Your shadow is the part of you that you would rather not acknowledge. You subconsciously notice your shadows traits in others and despise them for it.
Intolerance
Dock People have the right to their religious beliefs you are being intolerant of other people again. What gives you the right to condemn this persons religion he did nothing to you or your religion. He doesn’t need to read anything you have written, why would he and why should you teach him about what to believe are you a missionary? You tell him to forsake his religion and for what your god? I suggest you take a long hard look at yourself and realize what you are saying it is not too late, with each passing minute comes the chance to turn it all around.
intolerance
Dear sir or madam, Please excuse the rudeness of some people on this site, you were within your rights to say whatever you like and I for one would like to hear more from you.
Oh my yes
Why is it that the best posts get little recognition or response? This is finally an statement of higher meaning and as meaning is often overlooked here it is all alone a sparkling gem.
?
I think the poster meant is the belief in god a personal decision. As in many people find it difficult to believe in god. Where i dont have to believe as in faith as what is called God is everywhere to be seen by those with opened eyes. It is hard to tell what is meant though...
what about reincarnation.
For those who believe in reincarnation a man can be born from a bad previous life and improve his lot progressivly. What about this?
religious intolerance
My Earthly Mother came from the Heavenly source, the Heavenly mother, the Cosmic Lotus The birth of everything, the Big Bang if you will. My Mother, Father, Myself and all are God. There is no place where god does not exist. My God is creation and so is my mother and myself. Oh yes mothers are not perfect as this is not a perfect world but that is widely known. Billions of people believe this over thousands of years so if numbers of believers are important to you your ideas are outnumbered. In many countries the Mother is not left behind she is honored and cherished as the product of the eternal mother. She is propped up on her pedestal as she is becoming frail and old soon to pass on. I am not likely to grow up doc I am up. Reality is but an illusion that those who know refuse to follow. You can goad me all you want I will not falter I will not retaliate. I believe in Peaceful action but I do not like you attempts to demean what is holy. You have insulted my religion as you do to all religions but yours. That is what you do best, insults keep it up and all will see your true colors and your comments will be deleted or ignored as they are self serving and abusive. It is not too late with every passing minute comes the chance to turn it all around.
belief
I believe the people in Cherinoble Sp? Will disagree with you and that they place little faith in nuclear safety. So what does that do to your belief? Beliefs are fallible as either your belief or those in a nuclear accident zone are correct, Someone’s faith is misplaced. Faith is destined to fail, spouses cheat lie and betray when their spouse has faith in them. Question all and accept what you can’t disprove out of necessity is a safer road to travel and watch out for a nuclear waste convoy!
Faith in rain is next?
I think it is likly the sun will rise again but to have faith is unessary because if it doesent it wont matter soon. I however can not controll the sun.
how is it implemented?
Marky I like your directions and the points you are making. It would be a solution but how is it implemented? The Corporate elite and the government are such buddies, the Elite with the money and the Government with all their guns. Seems a revolution is the only thing, remember what happened in the 60’s that revolution failed, peace is so far from the agenda of the American people all they seem to care about is the new I phone. Your last statement is so to the core of the problem, few will see its value due to greed and corruption. What could save us is the realization that is apparently not coming in time.
Mara
Yes but a worldly pleasure steeped in falsity but wisdom a brilliant light for those with eyes not blinded.
not what i said
No where did I say the corporate bias started with JFK, I said he was the only president brave enough to fight them fot the behalf of the common people. I dont think O Bama has the guts ot the desire to help the people but I wish I were wrong. Since JFK the election process hasn’t allowed an elected president to serve the lower classes, only the elite. If the present president serves the lower classes he had better watch out for a bullet. I fear Obama will serve the elite where power emanates. There are bad presidents abound but the good ones are dead. Try to help the people wham bullet in the head.
Wellcome
Wisdom you are welcomed but be warned there is rank dissent within but I extend to you a hearty handclasp.
getting bored again
Thank you for allowing me freedom on this site but you are not in a position to do so. I never said I thought you hated me doc, why do you think you have to say that? I do not hate anyone. You do not perceive me, I am not condescending, and I do not have emotions that generate those feelings. I am just stating what I know. I have no delusions of superiority I am educated in these things and they are not necessarily just my opinions they are the opinions of great people. You think I am condescending but I don’t have those feelings, I don’t even resent that you think this, it doesn’t bother me. Why does it bother you? Evidently it doesn’t bother anyone else as you are the only one who makes derogatory comments against me. I am however on a mission; the answers I make are productive positive answers to real problems. They are done for a reason and that is to help. What is your point Doc how can you oppose my statements they are all about love, peace and understanding? These are the ethics of the savior Jesus who I love even though I am not a Christian. What is your agenda? Why do you just surf and make comments? Do you have any answers and if so why don’t you share them?
*
correction I guess I did say I thought doc hated me, actually he is a diffucult person to understand and yes I forget. This is all so pointless.
ammendment
After reading Zikade's post I realized that "we" doesn’t necessarily mean just me and you but could mean humanity as a whole and so I feel compelled to amend that humanity could achieve a destiny that is a condition where society has become a positive product of enlightened minds able to shape the destiny of man in a positive way. It is a worthwhile endeavor but I am not sure this type of change in a structured society is likely to happen or when and if we will reach this stage of group enlightenment. However, great changes have happened it is certainly a possibility and just as an individual must work to achieve a positive destiny so would mankind; this means individuals working together with others to achieve a better world for all. This seems like the best possible situation.
right -o
Yes Marky well said that is why I dont believe. Belief is giving up on your ability to comprehend and achieve understanding.
best post yet
First off, the leadership of the world is subject to the will of big business not the masses. Regardless of what Doc will reply this is saying is that our leaders are subject to the will of the masses and the chosen people “decent” need to subjugate the inferior majority. Superiority showing with overtones of the crusades and oh yes the Spanish inquisition, nobody expects the Spanish inquisition. Saying the decent people indicate that there are indecent people like me ha ha, oh I am scared!
shotgun
Yea, I can totally relate once I was on a road trip with death riding shotgun, and in this case it was a 12 gauge, any way he wouldn’t shut up and kept going on and on about the raw deal he got when the wheel of life was spun. When we got to L.A. he put his toe on the trigger when we passed by woodland cemetery and got delusions of grandeur and blew his brains all over the back seat.
leap of faith
Is it a fall with faith in someone or knowing that they will catch you. A leap of faith may get you laying on a floor of a club amongst the trash, but knowing a friend will get you caught.
I dont believe either but...
I have often seen a purple sky and even a vanilla sky, but whatever. Tolerance is a virtue that is hard to cultivate but Jesus taught it. Problematic differences is peoples inabilty to respect and love thy neighbor, or am I wrong.
I agree
Yes I agree it reeks of bigiotry and sexism. t did not ask it but I wondered why no one is offering an oposing view. Yours is noted....
more about the llusion of freedom
Where is there freedom? Is nature free from human pollution? Are the birds free from human subjugation? Is there anything that man does not impose his will on? Is existence the condition that causes freedom? Does evolution always mean the more complex organism rules the planet and for how long? Why should any organism rule the planet, is this evolution or devolution? Freedom is the great illusion the invention of man, designed to rule and subjugate the masses. Free will is for those in power to exploit the environment until it fails to sustain life. I don’t believe in this freedom, I would rather be bound to Mother Nature in a state of synergistic interdependence. But that’s just me…
MAN O MAN
Good and bad has no balance they are perceptions. Light and dark don’t oppose they are conditions of the cosmos. A BALLANCE BETWEEN LOVE AND HATE WHY HAVE HATE IS IT A VIRTUE?????????? THERE CAN NOT BE A BALLANCE BETWEEN LOVE AND HATE FOR WHERE THERE IS TRUE LOVE HATE CAN’T EXIST..................
me and my shadow
I am sure Mr. Shadow is the devil based on Zarathustrian philosophy. Light is love and hate is dark…good post…
again
We are not living in a natural environment anymore. The environment we exist in has been altered by us so what we live in is rapidly becoming unnatural. When the environment changes quickly as it has now due to mans interference with natural conditions evolution cant effect a change because evolution takes a very long time to do so and we don’t have time. We need to be an interdependent and responsible part of the synergistic processes of the planet, evolution will not help us.
time keeps on ticking, ticking, into the future
I now put forth the concept of is time real? It is arguable that there is a present, past and future so time has to be real. However some people would say the past present and future exist together without the device called time, time is created in our brains. Time is considered linear and our brains use linear thought processes, at least while awake that is. If time is indeed linear where does the past go and where does the future come from and why does the present reside with us or more importantly within our brains? It is proposed by the philosopher McTaggart and others such as Spinoza, Kant, Hegel, and Schopenhauer that time is not real. McTaggart asserts that change is confused with time. We erringly assume that when we see something change it is time affecting that change. However what if things just change and we think time caused it. If something happens previous to another thing this doesn’t necessarily mean that it is caused by time it can just as well be discerned as a cycle a situation of change or a direction of change. Some events of change may have an order and can be labeled by any device such as b follows a and so forth. In other words some changes are temporal and others are fixed but change doesn’t require time but change can be confused for time. For instance it is considered night follows day but could it not be just as well considered that day follows night? So what came first in time night or day? What is considered first or later is perhaps a condition of the changing of events, not of time. One could assume that time started at the beginning of everything when the universe began and it ends when the universe ends. From the beginning time started and all events flow. Events follow other events stars shine and planets revolve around them creating alternating sequences from night and day that we divide into segments relating to our life span as well, Newtonian determination theory. Newton also described time as a container for events. Newton, Einstein, or Hawking don’t agree with each other and if you put all the scientists there ever were in a room together likely no one would agree. One thing for sure is that rational science has a lot invested in the reality of time. The philosopher Kant argued against this and stated that time is not a measured thing but something to be measured by devices invented by man. Einstein declared existence relative but time and space absolute, this seems contradictory. Quantum theory it seems tries to encompass everything in general but as a theory it is far from complete. One thing remains for certain and that is that no one can define time and space yet. It is beyond our means to discern and our brains capacity to understand. Sure we can say something is a scientific fact but later on that “fact” is disproven by science, so science is not infallible. Philosophy is the opposite foil of rational science. It does not rely on what is determined as factual. That there is no such thing as a fact can be argued. Philosophy has one great thing that rational science does not have. Philosophy is boundless thought unhampered by perceived reality and what is considered normal processes. It does not rely on physical laws of science. It is looking at life from outside the box, from an open mind perspective. So do you belong the school of rational science or the school of philosophical thought, these are the two approaches. Take your choice and explore if you have the time.
About time to not answer this post but…I
I recently did not go to a good friend’s funeral because he wasn’t there and I did not know his parents. Also there was the fact that my farther just died and I couldn’t take another funeral. So if you don’t see a friend there they may be extenuating circumstances.
what will happen
What will happen if we cant adapt due to expreme conditions that cant support us and there is too short a time for us to evolve to adapt to the new envrionment we caused by poluting.
put a cork in it?
It is interesting that so many people think we will aurvive other more pressing dangers to humanity. Death controll may be applied by Mother Nature to save the planet.
I'm with marky no suprise
How does one know he did the experiment done correctly is anyone infallible? If it keeps coming up the same perhaps it is because they did it wrong every time because there is something they didn’t know or understand about it. Wave lengths can be bent and appear different, appearances can be deceiving. All the physical characteristics of things are not known as well. The world is constantly changing, look out the window a lot has happened since the primordial slime emerged from the oceans, chop away all you want, nothing is permanent. Gravity is not a law it is a condition, and Newton only described a part of it and Einstein more, this says that this is not a law because our perceptions of it keep changing as we learn. So this is not a definitive law, it is still in the discovery stages. Confirming the Big Bang theory well that’s a bit pretentious confirmation needs a complete and definitive understanding and we don’t have that. You missed the whole Squirrel point, It illustrates that observable conditions while they can seem conclusive they are not, all it takes to confuse is one smart squirrel and an easily duped scientist.
no need to elaborate but..
I can just see doc walking around with his scuba gear on saying how much for a tank of air?
Thanks for your comment
Thanks for your comment Sorry but belief is faith and faith means you are relying on another’s knowing, be it a minister savior saint or God. If you know well that’s another thing. I submit If U know God you dont quertion it. Bless Aung San Suu Kyi
simple answer hard to apply
Oh Marky, it seems that such a simple thing as peace love and harmonic intendancy is lost to nearly everyone but you and me, but I hope I am very wrong about this. Oddly everyone’s religion says the same thing but unfortunately these religions singularly think that their religion is the only true religion and that they are the chosen people, chosen by their God the only God and they will fight you to prove their point. We already live in a world where the condition of harmonic balance exists but we humans don’t partake of the offering of the interdependent symbiotic relationships of nature. Instead we oppose this relationship due to metaphorically dining at the tree of knowledge. Unfortunately it wasn’t a big enough meal.
oops full comment below simple hard to apply
Oh Marky, it seems that such a simple thing as peace love and harmonic intendancy is lost to nearly everyone but you and me, but I hope I am very wrong about this. Peace love and understanding is defiantly possible but fighting, competition and superiority is materialistically profitable and this world of humans is based on the BELIEF that amassing more goods than one can possibly use is desirable, greed rules the illusory world of man, not love. If love ruled the world Heaven, Nirvana whatever you want to call it would be at hand but it doesn’t, so it isn’t. Love not greed is the message of all the saviors, Jesus, Buddha and Mohamed. But we would rather not take their advice although we BELIEVE in them. We believe in them because we can’t know them as then we would know love and not greed should rule. This is psychological abnormal behavior, to say the least. We are not only estranged from our natural environment we are estranged from ourselves and are not only suicidal but we are matricidal as well. We are really screwed up big time and refuse to admit it because our lives would be a sham, a downward spiral to the end of the world. Oddly everyone’s religion says the same thing but unfortunately these religions singularly think that their religion is the only true religion and that they are the chosen people, chosen by their God the only God and they will kill you to prove their point. We already live in a world where the condition of harmonic balance exists but we humans don’t partake of the offering of the interdependent symbiotic relationships of nature. Instead we oppose this relationship due to metaphorically dining at the tree of knowledge. Unfortunately it wasn’t a big enough meal
the only evil that exists is man
I am not debating or trying to prove or disprove anything; people can make up their own minds. I am simply stating what millions upon millions of people dead and alive have known throughout time. The precepts I give here were not discovered by me they are the knowledge and wisdom amassed throughout millennia. I am just a vehicle for this information because I know it. When dealing with the true nature of reality you have to remove man, or at least his mind from the equation and then what is left is the true reality. That man is interpreting reality is the problem that is why in Zen the state of no mind is experiencing true reality, the mind does not exist. The only way to experience true reality is to see the world without interpreting it. This is what is meant by becoming one with the world. When you understand you are the world you don’t have to interpret it you know it, you are it. Then everything is hunky dory no problems like war hate and dissent, this is what Jesus was talking about, Heaven on earth. This is not pointless it has a definitive point and that is that man is not the deciding entity on reality he is estranged from it and largely incapable of experiencing it. He is unaware and unable to sense it. He does not even realize the nature of his destructive behavior. He is a pathological destroyer of the planet that nurtures his very existence. He is the great danger, the only danger that exists is man himself and he is pitifully unaware of it. You can accept this and work to make a change or not, that is the point.
be nice now
Doc is needed on this site he is an important opposing element to discussion.
doc
I have considered that man could possible regenerate the ozone layer, there is a possible method. However now is the time to do that as what will inevitably happen is so catastrophic there will be no recovery from. Faith in man, not a good idea.
Good question
Ok, you have a point I got carried away. My intention is to persuade people to consider the ill state of man and our environment. I do not practice Zen; Zen is too strict a discipline for me as I am not a monk who has devoted his life to such austere control over the mind. I am not a follower, although I practice the teachings of Jesus and often attend a Buddhist ceremony here in Thailand, my family is Buddhist. Good advice is good advice no matter where it comes from. Enlightenment, I have been to the tree but did not eat fully of its fruit, there is a time for every purpose. 'Those who say do not know, and those who know do not say' is often a correct saying; however people who know are often compelled to help. I am such a person; it often occurs to me that the answers to most of our problems are obviously the teachings of love compassion and peace, incidentally the teachings of Jesus, Buddha and Mohamed and countless others. My understanding could be delusional and in error but I do not rely on my mind. I have a heart or a soul and it is what guides me and it knows no error as it is God, I am God, you are God, a tree is God, all is God. Evil is the condition of the denial of God, a gnawing worm eating at our hearts.
doc you are wellcome
Toung in cheek but sincere however. Yes we all can get riled it is a human condition and not usually productuive but sometimes it is. A well thought out reply is best, I concur.
if need be
Life is for learning and refletion is a good teacher,and each passing moment brings the chance to turn it all around if need be.
hope
Doc, You are not powerless, you are just not an active part of the solution. Shouild people like you and me unite for the cause, there would be hope. Unfortunatly this site will probably not help anything as it is just filled with words. Change takes action, without action words are verry hollow. Shoulld we unite for the cause the power would be ours, and we would do this out of ****.
harmony
If I could I would buy two harmonicas and force you guys to play together. Then we all would understand the meaning of harmony. Unfortunately I don’t think I could stand the outcome of my experiment.
Does your mother love you and why
Guess I wont try to sell you on the idea that Love is the final solution.....
squak squeek and roll the music of the spheres
I can play several instruments, one is a harmonica so I my musical ability would be superior in this respect, or is that just talent in a particular field. I am not superior to anyone on this site in my opinion you fulfill that role
children of God?
If peace and harmony is a juvenile fantasy Jesus is juvenile and teaches the fantasy of love.
elvis
Happy to oblidge. The artist is Elvis Costello an Irishman. The lyrics were downloaded but are correct I think. The actual song performed by him is probably on youtube it is worth a listen. Sean
Reinstated question
Perhaps you are right it was not meant to be profound but a simple one as what do you hope to accomplish with asking questions, I reinstate it.
noted
Sorry, as youy said I allways think that peace harmony and love are allways in context to anything.
not a rant but a rave
Although Doc called this a rant I don’t se it as one he makes a concise series of statements arriving at a conclusion that science could be a working part of the solution of symbiotic harmony. Science needs morality though, may I add?
Hmm
An interesting post I cant find much to disagree with, interesting situation agreement with doc...
not moi
Doc I am not playing with your mind. This is not my post; like I said I let my friend answer a question and told you it that it was his answer. I doubt if he will the forum right now, perhaps later, but I can’t really speak for him. Pertaining to the arrows released in my direction I often quote the author of a particular sentence in my subject field, however my knowledge dates from the written history of man. Anything I say has undoubtedly been said before, I am just the messenger. I don’t think anything is really new, same old thing over and over again need I be superfluous. I for or against depending on the question.
lack of perspective
Objectivity is questionable Although I view the world subjectively I do not always do so, I cannot deny the existence of my body and other physical objects. But the real thing about me is not my body it is my soul, it is eternal and therefore real. All things physical are temporal and reality is eternal, not within the frame of time. So while the concept of a physical reality is perceivable it is relatively brief. This perceived reality is extremely subject to change, as soon as you categorize it, it becomes something else. Any attempt to have a reality is thwarted by our perceptions of time. The subjectivist view does not necessarily accept anything that is their point, everything is subjective to our illusory perceptions, we are incapable of true objectivity because we are an irremovable part of the experiment. So the objective view for me is right out the window as we are a part of the object; we are of the world. If we were not of the world well that would be different, we would be able to be objective. Any conclusion we would have is viewed from a viewpoint of the illusion of our opinions about reality. Our realities while they seem to make sense they do not, we view the world as our possession but the world is not ours we are its. I suggest that the world came first and it is our mother from where we were born she is an ever nurturing life support system not for just us humans but for the billions of life forms on the planet that we are but one of. To assert control over her is an experiment that we are in the midst of and therefore this is not objective, it is objectionable research. It is domination over something that was put forth from the eternal reality as a facsimile, a temporary shelter for extremely fragile organic life forms. It is not real in the sense of eternity. The subjective view is do not accept anything as being real, especially the conceptions of man for man is caught in the net of false beliefs. His perception is that he is separate from nature, a god like entity capable of subjugating not only all other life forms on this planet but the planet as well. This is his greatest illusion, that he is his conception of God. He has been exhibiting abnormal psychological behavior since he partook of knowledge and he needs to get well. I will not try to tell anyone how to achieve wellness that would be inappropriate; you may already be well and not need help. It is also inappropriate to subject anyone to a theory or equation that represents a reality subject to conceptions of physical laws that may not exist. People will try to control you however, it is their motivation to dominate for material gain using their conceptions of physical laws to rule and subjugate the planet. Should you not realize they are controlling you is illusion, to be skeptical is common sense. Just because you do not see they are out to control you it doesn’t mean that they aren’t. At the risk of seeming controlling myself I will only suggest question everything as everything is subject to misconception.
What first me now april ????
Doc really what do you know about April's history perhaps she has made some mistales but stupid, I think not.
hum April
I have noticed you seem preoccupied with your past. Do you have an accurate recollection of it? If there is something that you need to know and how important is it to your future. If there are bad things there I wish for you to move on and have a wonderful future despite the past. The past can’t be changed but the future is limitless and every day beings another chance to turn it all around. Happiness is a worthwhile goal and love is the vehicle enjoy the ride for it is over before you know it.
doc are you sure you dont know April?
I know you doc and despite our differences I appreciate you, I also know April. If you weed through the perceptions we have about us posters you can find the person. What is their quest in life, do they have a reason for posting and do they care. Nearly everyone but me has an alias and this is a chance to say whatever they feel, if you listen you can hear their thoughts and dreams. I wish they would shout them out without reservation now that would be a sight to see. Love this post of yours especially the last sentance.
netspeak
Dear Anu, I find your Netspeak disturbing. A lot of effort has been expended to develop the English language. When attempts are made to degrade it the writer comes off as lazy and unintelligent despite the best intentions. This is Ok for chatting with a friend about something trivial but when you are trying to make a intelligent reply you might consider that I for one won’t read past the first sentence.
thank you doc
Well I do like this well written assessment and I normally would take my side and disagree, however I will step out of character. I do have a considerable scientific education that I have been hesitant to divulge, this is because I have to a large extent rejected the path science has slashed through the face of nature in the name of profit above all else. This is because the corporate world controls the end results of science and disregards the future for immediate satisfaction and greed. In the past five years I have been developing a scientific plan for my sustainable future. I have recently purchased a small plot of farmland where my wife will grow fruits and vegetables along the lines of sustainable farming methods. This is farming without pesticides using natural insect repelling herbs and natural fertilizers. The productive efforts of William Mc Donough who is the leader in designing a future based on the designs nature utilizes to design housing, factories, cars and ideally all products used by man is commendable. He is not a scientist however he is an architect. Interestingly his designs are already proven as profitable solutions; do not harm nature and the byproducts of his products are designed to be reclaimed by nature as nutrients. His by line is (waste = food), that means the wastes that we now use in our closed end systems where raw materials make toxic waste can be replaced by byproducts that are foods for nature, biological fertilizer or biological compatible materials, no waste to put in a toxic landfill. That we can use objective methods to achieve an end that is not only compatible with nature but can do what nature does is possible. We are on the threshold of such technology and it is not only cost effective it is less expensive to implement and maintain. If we succeed in these endeavors we can transform our world into what is basically science using designs emulating nature’s formulae. This is the middle ground Marky is talking about. It is the synergistic development reintroducing mankind to mother earth and living in cooperative harmony with her. It is likely also compatible with Doc’s beliefs. So how is this compatible with my views of reality? It is compatible because the closest thing to reality is my mom, the planet. I have always been one with her as my chosen reality; she is what I choose to accept as real with certain reservations. She is a temporary nurturing shelter for the body that is the temporary shelter of my eternal soul. All physical things have a limited reality and are perceived as real but compared to eternal conditions beyond the confines of space and time are unreal. All things physical exist in a confined environment and will soon cease to be when the factors that constitute time are no more. In the meantime I still maintain that man is the only evil that exists and that he will cause the demise of the planet unless he sees the errors of his ways due to his eating from the tree of knowledge and asserting his domination over the planet and all its life forms for the satiation of his insatiable greed. His salvation is not anything religious but due to his own positive actions making restitution for his sins against the planet that gave him birth and sustenance. This is the taming of mans destructive nature utilizing science as his tool of salvation. It would be his repatriation into a world where all life is interdependent and self sustaining, the way it was before man began his insatiable consumption. I am trying to be optimistic about this reconciliation and the imminent physical annihilation that may cause the end of so called physical reality but given mans track record nothing short of revolution will decide the continuance of so many people’s realities. I am trying to be a part of the solution but I realize I am perceived as an idealist/realist with seemingly conflicting points of view. Will we have peace and harmony, what the religious call heaven on earth or a rotting toxic planet decaying to a hell like condition? I ask you is there a middle ground where love rules or will we all die in greedy effluence?
a connection to everything
Although allegory is close in meaning to metaphor there are differences that some would say are subtle but actually if you investigate the differences they are dramatic. Both are used extensively in my favorite subject mythology and are closely related. Allegory has lesser deeper meaning and generally refers to something being like something else; while metaphor infers that something “is” something else, that is the main difference. For example an allegorical statement is: Mark Spits the Olympic swimmer swims like a fish. The metaphorical version of this is: Mark Spits the Olympic swimmer is a fish. So the allegorical statement draws a parallel that he is similar to a fish while the metaphorical one says he is a fish. Now we all know Mark is not a fish but the point is when he was making his historic swim he was locked into something extraordinary. He was one with some greater power that would not allow him to lose the event, this is common in sports. Athletes at a particular time are in tune with something that is something mystical in nature; a connection to what will assist him or her to achieve the desired end. So in this case Mark was one with the fish so he was the fish. Although mythology has several purposes the main purpose is to be one with something. A connection is made that changes you and connects you to something else in a way that is largely unexplainable as it is beyond reason and logic. It is a connection with mystical and spiritual overtones. The tribal dance where participants work themselves into a transcendental state are making the same connection as Mark did. The Ideal connection that mythology makes is to help you become one with yourself, your environment and ideally the cosmos. This is you becoming connected to your inner self, the environment of your soul and the environment of the natural world. This includes the physical aspect such as you are a tree say, and the spiritual aspect such as you are the world, the generative process of life. If you are a woman you are the nurturing aspect that brings forth all life and if you are a man you are the generative aspect that causes life to happen. This tells you that you are not an insignificant individual, you are everything. Now there is something else that ties this all together. We are already one with ourselves the world and the environment; we just don’t realize it and experience it consciously. We are mentally estranged and don’t get the big picture because we are not in tune, we are lacking a harmonious condition with ourselves and our mother planet. Mankind throughout time immemorial understood this estrangement and used ritual; symbology and metaphor to create myths that helped us make this connection. But modern man sees no value in myth and interprets a myth as an untrue story, a falsehood without any connection to reality. He does not want to be one with anything he wants to be separate and dominate everything, so a myth is a lie. This is denial in its utmost form; it is the denial of the oneness of everything. In closing I feel I must add that the lack of accepted myth and our denial of a universal oneness is what got us into the mental and ecological mess we are in. This being the imminent destruction of the nurturing environment we need to survive. While mythology is an answer it is not the only answer, however it can show us the way should we be able to use it. This is not easy, the whole mess we are in is wrought with complications but what is helpful is simplification. The basic problem is that we are out of sync with the true reality that is transcendent from the rational reality of our brain. Our brain thinks it knows but our soul knows without thought. The true reality is not apparent as we see the world as how we want to see it, submissive to our domination and exploitation. Knowledge is what got us here at the brink of destruction; our animal brothers were not smart enough to achieve this. We can’t go back and lose out intelligence but shouldn’t we use it to transcend to a state of understanding? Now I leave you with the ultimate metaphor: we are everything.
you are wellcome
If you liked this you can read Joeseph Campbell for a start. He is my Hero and the authority on mythology. There are the Bill Moyer Campbell interviewa on pbs. But the best place to see a Campbell documentairy is at Google Video. There is no reason to dispair April even if everything dies.
No but
No but everyone has said I love you when they dont so that makes it a great lie. I love a lot....
sorry
I made a bad joke humorously accusing doc, sorry I thought erroneously that it would be considered a joke. I don’t think anyone thinks you are stupid. I for one can’t follow this thread anymore and apologize to all.
you can see them on Google video
Doc go to google video they are all there all six. if you use speed bit you can save them to your hard drive. There is also Saravati and much more...
I remember too
Well if you want I will remove Kent State from the post. If the shooting was for the cause why was it covered up, wouldn’t it be better to expose the protesters who may have done it? The 222 is the preferred round for all snipers. However I didn’t mean to start a rehash of the 60’s failed revolution. That time was a time of dissatisfaction in the government and since then the situation has deteriorated and it seems we have learned that any attempt to protest will be dealt with severely with extreme prejudice. You will do yourself a favor to not reply.
all ok
I said I was bored and you replied why are some inferior people so arrogant. However I realize I came off arrogant and although I replied in anger I don’t hold a grudge life is too short for that. Whatever happened and was actually meant is past. However I do not believe i have changed that much but that seems a complement and I apreciate that.
how far reaching?
Doc you are right, I do realize that a single act of greatness can make a big difference but often, it stops there. I am not saying we shouldn’t aspire to make a difference this is so important to do. The experiences of my lifetime however have showed me that selfless acts to make a change resulting in social betterment have been hammered down by those in the position of power; efforts to effect a change by any individual will be easily thwarted. If one person is saved this is monumental so it may be important but the life of a single individual will hardly be noticed. It will take millions of people united to make a change not a single individual. How long will we stand idly by and do nothing while hope dies is the question?
I get it now
Ah I am getting you now, to discover ones self is the discovery of the great mystery of all life.
there are no poor Americans?
That you think it is unreasonable is perplexing. Ti is a question obviously born out of compassion ab the realization that many people have lots more than they need there are those with nothing and the unfairness of this. The poster obviously gets what economic disparity is and you don’t understand this evidently. Ps there are homeless and hungry people in Millwaukee....
well now an exception
normally I would think that everyone has a right to thier opinion but I find myself considering there may be just one exception.
Doc
If you falsely made yourself look better perhaps they wouldent have advised you to seek more help thinking all was well so wouldent it be counterproductive to apear well?
I did not realise you were forgetfull
Was god just prejudiced against asian folk? was your question remember? I submitted the number to indicate there is no lack of Gods in Asia.
suprise as the question slides off the site.
I take it you mean the other 3329000 Gods had nothing to do with it.
feminist dictionary
Anyone have a . I wont ask the question is god a man or a woman for sure...
Suicide is allready illeagal
Please dont make water illeagal as well, I need it to take my pills....
I extend a hearth handclasp
If your opinion is dangerous use it wisely it can turn on you, but you don’t care do you.
I extend a hearth handclasp
If your opinion is dangerous use it wisely it can turn on you, but you don’t care do you.
earache my eye
Often an ear wash with a warm water syringe by a qualified person can do wonders. I was plagued with earaches most of my life until I began using cotton buds to clean the area where the channel meets the outer ear. This allows the ear wax to drain naturally not building up and causing an unhealthy condition that invites problems of several types.
bipolar speciulation
Bipolar is a dangerous area to speculate about for people are often misdiagnosed, often by themselves and take dangerous mind altering drugs that may make them crazy. Many people are just driven and when they burn out and need a rest that is considered depression. I am not sure anyone should be treated for this disorder as it may not exist. If you examine the great people of history one could miss diagnose them all as Bipolar. Indeed any attempt to stifle this could be worse than the problem as the problem may be how does a person with mood swings of this nature be compatible with an even tempered mind numbed society.
happy
Happiness for some is hurting others, consider yourself lucky or intentionly centered.
semantics and dissent
You and doc can talk semantics all you want but an evangelist is a preacher, that’s OK agendas are abound here. If you don’t like the present contributors perhaps you can do better. People don’t agree and that is a good thing, my favorite poster rarely agrees with me and that’s the way I like it. What your motives are defines you here if you have an opinion shout it out, I for one am listening.
thanks
Yes apathy is rampant and when laziness is coupled with the TV capitalist consumeaganda numbing the creative mind nothing happens, and that is just what they want.
thanks
Yes apathy is rampant and when laziness is coupled with the TV capitalist consumeaganda numbing the creative mind nothing happens, and that is just what they want.
god
At the present time there are nearly a billion people in India if you add all the people that once lived since the time of the Indus civilization about 5,000 years the number of people would be sufficient I suspect to name even more. However Gods are limitless, a rock or a tree you and me. As you indicate how they will ever be all named I don’t see. I guess Christians had time to name only one, lucky for them it was the god of love.
Cigaretts cafee and beer
Seemingly the individual has no importance in this matter to you Doc. Only tax money presumably used to do what with fight wars? Your lack of love and compassion seems contrary to your belief in the Christian God of love.
Better than TV I bet.
Real living beats that fake TV stuff every time. Reading this post painted a picture TV couldn’t match. Just don’t tell me you went inside and watched TV.
Ok RO and the point
Capitalism can be considered an entity as it has rights to existence under the governmental laws. That we can be considered the slaves of capitalism is a viable argument. The degree that we are enslaved depends on our monetary status in society. It is a corrupt system dominated by evil men and women.
eh there
My in-laws live in the jungle type house and I visit often but there are problems such as the bugs you mentioned and rain and intense heat. This is where conventional housing beats out the jungle house. What is in the future is hopefully an amalgamation of the two, a blend that balances the suns ability to heat and the other elements to cool. Bugs can be shooed away by planting plants that repell insects of an unwanted type. I assume you are young enough to join the housing revolution perhaps you can work in that field, good luck.
the demise of the planet and all its life forms
This post seems to have wandered but I must state that while education has its merits the time it would take to educate our children is time we don’t have. We can’t put it off to nonexistent generations; this is extreme laziness to say the least. This type of educative change takes lifetimes and the rapidity of the planets demise is accelerating. I can’t see the mountains through the smog today and I could yesterday and I am not being metaphoric I am at the window. We are in denial when we think we have time, we don’t. The planet all its life forms, all our future generations will die if we don’t do something about it. All here is just letters on a screen; it doesn’t mean a thing without action.
nothing aginst edjucation
Having raised children successfully I will attest that it takes forever or at least 20 years or more for it to sink in after thousands upon thousands of repetitions, and finally oh I get it now, playful slap aside the head by me. The rest of your post I find acceptable but doing the right thing beats out education every time because it actually has an effect on the world. Now doing something right being informed by your education seems like a good idea perhaps it should be tried. However as I have been saying repeatedly we don’t have the time to educate future generations as their existence is in question.
it is us
Dear Abbas, It is not a case of the possibility of the world being threatened it is already threatened. We know the areas where the world is threatened and we do nothing about it. To say we should stop them indicates there is someone else causing them; there is not someone else it is us.
no one but you uses profanity on this site
Can you guess why? Profanity has its place like when you drop something on your foot but when making an intelligent point other words work much better. People won’t think you are out of control of your emotions and can’t make a point otherwise, anyone can swear but few can write eloquently.
What is your quest April
If life were for day dreaming only we would be missing the point to life. Dreams are for living April. When our questions are answered we are free to follow our dreams and that means actually doing it.
Cute
Bet Aplil never called you cute. Actually I am quite serious about the post past the pun. I also believe you werent too suprised about my answer.
can vs should
Sure you have the right to swear but do you really want to? I was just trying to point out that when you do it in front of someone you know they think nothing of it. But when you swear in front of a stranger they think something of it. They make perceptions about you in a negative way that likely isn’t true. And no I didn’t notice English isn’t your first language it seems fine to me. I am sorry if I was abrupt in my observations I didn’t mean to be accusatory. I am perhaps a bit sensitive because I have been called profane names in postings on other sites that are so wrought with profanity, and meanness that I don’t go there anymore, you tube for instance. I did not deserve the name calling I should add. Here people fly off the handle at times but all in all they are trying to be nice, and I see now you are not a raving profaner. I hope you will continue posting, this site needs your input
ro
Yes, it is easy to convince yourself I never thought that but when it is right there staring back at you have to believe you thought it.
When will we do something?
Actually this is not a rhetorical question and I am loathe to explain it but I will as no one seems to get my questions, and perhaps my answers as well. There are a lot of questions here going round and round, often good ones. But I wonder if we realize that as long as they remain here nothing will ever come of them. Perhaps some alien archaeologist in the future will find the dead server housing this site and discover that we knew the answers to our problems and did nothing to solve them. That we knew everything including the meaning of life and still caused the destruction of our planet and all its life forms. That although we were extremely clever and knowledgeable we were too pathetic to actually do something to prevent it. The application of the answers would be pursuant to solving our problems. The quest is just that, a purpose to one’s life other than a meaningless existence. This is what my favorite subject mythology is all about, the quest of the hero. Where are the heroes here, and heroines? The hero is the one who does something, something seemingly impossible and saves the day. A hero sets out on a quest and his life opens up and becomes a life full of meaning purpose and let me tell you it is exciting. It is the true experience of life not stuck in a dull dreary life controlled by others. It is taking charge of your own life and doing something. So that is my question when will we do something? Imagine what a hundred heroes could do, a thousand, a million…
Id rather be called cute
Cut is allways cute but calling someone a know it all is not allways complementary...
not enough heros.
Ok then perhaps we need a billion heroes because in case you haven’t noticed things aren’t getting better they are getting worse. Or perhaps we need more spinach.
Post script
Individual aid while helpful to the individual is too small a contribution to save us. The problem is immense and a person is so small. Why it seems so valiant to help a single individual escapes me, any real hero who sets their ambitions on such a goal is underachieving. The value of human kind is not that valuable to me as it is us who are the real problem. How many people’s lives would it take to equal a rainforest teeming with millions of life forms? Or how many rain forests equal one person’s life? I submit man is now not valuable; he is blight on the face of the earth. Except you and me of course, well actually sometimes I wonder about you, just kidding.
Ghostheros
Come on doc don’t scare April Perhaps there are nice spirits like Casper, yea imagine a hero ghost we could use a billion of those.....
Come on Dock
Doc you are starting it all over again, why didn’t you just tell them to keep it in their pants. Now they will probably make you their God, is that what you wanted?.
altermondialisme
altermondialisme or alternate globalization for those who have never heard the term is a so called socialistic movement promoting an alternate position to originations run by the WTO and the World Bank who and the NWO. They believe in cooperative globalization rather than the forced globalization of the NWO. They are considered the nice guys. However I don’t know much more than this and haven’t enough knowledge to form an objective opinion. I would appreciate more posting as per the legitimacy of this movement and its agenda. I personally don’t believe globalization is a good idea at the present time. It assumes that what is good for a country like America is good for Vietnam, Americans haven’t learned that lesson yet as we keep asserting out dominance over the smaller countries. The dominant will always rule and the dominant force now is economic the rich will rule. So until the rich no longer rule globalization as envisioned as peaceful, cooperation and love is but an unrealizable dream. I personally don’t believe globalization is a good idea at the present time. It assumes that what is good for a country like America is good for Vietnam, Americans haven’t learned that lesson yet as we keep asserting out dominance over the smaller countries. The dominant will always rule and the dominant force now is economic the rich will rule. So until the rich no longer rule globalization as envisioned as peaceful, cooperation and love is but an unrealizable dream.
good post
Doc I like this post of yours I got an idea too, why don’t americans choose a democracy for America? What is this will of the people you mention?
Hi,
Hi to those in OHten, As you seem to know about cob construction do you know if local building codes allow it?
expecting that
I feel love and compassion for the polar bears, why shouldn’t they have a good meal. I believe man is fat enough. But actually you are right of course I must be less than perfect but if someone gets eaten why not a representative of the oil companies, they are killing us all. Thailand has off shore oil rigs. Well try a plea and get back to me on it.
following the example of nature
Ok April, I was in a joking mood they are hardly children anymore one out of school and the other almost. We are liberal parents and allow them to make mistakes. I was so rebellious, and that is what happens with overbearing parents. I did not make that mistake and hopefully they will end up better than me, that is naturally the goal. They both choose to stay at home rather than to get into trouble and generally show good sense; TV here is not what it is in America so I suggest but don’t insist on unplugging. My son works hard six days a week for 25$ US and my daughter is prolonging her childhood, I figure stretch it out girl. They are wonderful kids mostly due to their mom the embodiment of the earth goddess who nurtures everything here from flowers, plants, fruit trees, vegetables to kids. I as the personification of the male deity am the generative force that causes this environment, I supply the seed. And yes this was all planned but not by me I just had the good sense to search the world and recognize it when found it. I hope this answers your question that I understood intuitively. I am sorry to hear the recession has affected you and hope your situation will improve soon.
April
Sounding a bit too much like doc there... . Perhaps if polar bears would unite and peacefully protest in somewhere like Juno. It would be a trek perhaps we can get transportation for them, anyone speak bear out there?
silly of us to argue the point
Doc I read it, understood it and rejected the idea that just saying don’t overdo it would be considered. Actually keep it in your pants wouldn’t be considered as well but I draw the line at castration, although I have done it to animals I don’t anymore. I noticed you think people don’t read your posts I submit that they do. They appear not to have read to you when in fact they respond to what they disagreed with.
wellcome
hey toad I have worked in Dundee. Have an answer or question we I would be interested in hearing it. New contributors are needed.
No imagination was used while writing this post, s
As it takes some time for the life support to completely shut down there will be some people alive. When the interdependent systems of nature begin to critically fail it will impossible to reconnect and repair them. If air goes first we are gone, if heat fries us the same, gone. If we have some air, water and food we will linger a slow death. The poor still in the cities will go first pandemonium will ensue. The rich will do all they can to obtain water, food and better air. Looting murder and every conceivable crime will be committed by who once were once ordinary citizens. This will happen in stages continent by continent, the healthiest places will hang in there longer and it is there that the rich will flock to control and purge the indigenous population. While money will eventually cease to become a commodity the rich will have possessions, other resources and by their character will continue to stay at the top, perhaps some will get killed but those who replace them will be just the same. Then there are the government fallout shelters, they will fill with the already selected kernel of what they consider the best and most necessary people for continuation of the human race, unfortunately these are the same people who started this mess and did nothing to prevent it. By this time there is nothing to do, that boat sailed a long time ago. You tell the truth to your children, the truth no matter what the consequences is best, take the blame and shoulder it, there is no reason to lie or cling to the illusion that perhaps life will come back to a dying planet. It is this illusion that got you here. There is no starting over; there will be no one capable of rescuing the planet unless you think there is a God who would re-establish a life form that wipes out millions of species on a planet including himself. This is perhaps the final test for mankind. Perhaps we are supposed to learn something with our lives. And just perhaps we don’t have to all die to learn this.
burn the lot?
Wait for heaven Doc that is your utopia it will not be here within the field of time. How about some elightenment, realisation and intellegent behavior, that could help.
yes
I think so too and happiness and contentment are much the same. short and the point.
i dissagree
Midel They operate underhanded every day and so callsd conspiracy theorists ate totally uneffective. If this were not so we wouldent be getting ripped off at the pump.
great answer doc
It could not be said better than doc wrote. The government the influential elite and religion will dominate or be controlled by the people. So it’s up to you…
ponderings of the old and nearly old
I often are attracted to women that others do not think are beautiful and I think they are wrong, the Barbie doll is a bit glassy eyed and over the top. Give me a natural woman any day, and I don’t understand the saying beauty is only skin deep, what about inner beauty there is that and it doesn’t go away with age it often improves. Ah the ponderings of the old and nearly old…
Oh Liberians are so hot.
Hey there, this is a very simple thing, give it a try. Happiness while it is often considered to be your interpretation of your pleasures concerning your self is often about others. Nothing will bring you more happiness than giving to others. All the saviors and saints are not wrong, give it a try or realize you are happier when you do. Don’t you feel good when you find a book for someone who is so happy to have it?
god
God is a metaphor for something that transcends all form of human thought. Some peoples create gods to serve them. Some create them to have a link to a greater power. To some God is everything a blade of grass or a person. God can be what you make him. Ask Doc what god is to him he will have his version. A lot of people need something to lean on in times of trouble and their God comforts them. So to some a God is necessary but not for you I guess and that OK but don’t you have something you love cherish and can’t do without? Perhaps that something is your version of god; it could be your children or your parents.
April
That discussion is still going on, search and read. These things are done by the real fanatics not guys like me. I would find it harder to believe it never happened as the motives are clear. This is what I mean about reality being subjective. Anything can be believed and seem perfectly reasonable. While cyanide testing at the camps seems to prove a hoax no one seems to think that the Nazis could have backed a truck up to the chamber and done it cheaper. The video Loose Change while seems possible is not likely. Conspiracies theories are used to prove that we need to wake up before it’s too late are mostly fabricated, just a little truth added for believability, Chicken Little theory. The only truth and reality that is not subject to interpretation is the truth not of man. Believe none of what you hear, half of what you see and most of what you think. For the mind is subject to error, trust your heart implicitly for there is the seat of intuition and if you are in tune with yourself the world and the universe you will be in touch with truth.
democracy
I was thinking just the opposite Perhaps some country would try a true democratic government something never done before.
Doc, love and best wishes
What I referred to is sustainable farming, which is what we are just now getting into. Primitive sustainability has been practiced here for a thousand years but modern agriculture changed all that but now we are getting back to it but with a new twist using all natural plants to make a tonic fertilizer that repels unwanted insects and also fertilizes naturally. Mu ultimate goal is to spend half the working and the other half living on my boat in the wilderness, taking time to do what I can to effect a change internationally concerning the environment with my writing, should it ever get published and I am considering lecturing on the subject should I be able to find an audience. Thanks for your kind words I Will be in touch from time to time. Be well and prosper, Sean
there is hope how much well...
Democracy was the American dream once and it seems that dream has died. I remember when America was a hell of a good country and although it wasn’t a true democracy people acted like it was and that was the spirit of democracy, it was the best government in the world. If and that is a big if a true democracy was enacted that would be the rebirth of America and the realization of that dream. In the meantime I will be happy here in Thailand where when the government strays from democracy the people protest until the corrupt ministers are kicked out and then they make a new government reinstating the democratic principles. if.
To all farewell and I will return.
Knowledge the root of our demise Unforeseen by the fated hoard, the divine cow walks on four legs, three and two, only to topple and fall. And why the fall you ask dear mother, why has the soma run dry? To know so little and do without heart is the source of an early ruin, better had you sown the seeds of wisdom. Come unto me and let my tears run oer the earth and wash away your sins. For it is I the source of all life you have wounded but all is not lost for love is without spite I will love and nurture you unto death. By Sean for his mom.
to april
Give up trying? We don’t try anything we just write and talk, to do something we would have to do, we will die that is not important but why we die is. We have the scientific answers and the capability to save the planet, but it is not a priority. The fates of the corporations that are causing our demise is, they will be saved and go on to finish off the planet. The lessons of the present are more valuable than of the past as there is the results of our actions for all to see. Now April, you are on the verge of great change the change from talking and doing, you are the solution and you as a woman have a potent voice you are the creative force of the world. I would hope you would shout so loud I could hear you, not just talk of silly things like embarrassment. I believe in you personally and I know you will do the right thing you are the deciding factor of our world’s survival. Love Sean
yea but who wants flies
Doc, Yes, I realize that in the site I may seem arrogant but I assure you that in person I am quite the opposite. I don’t know why this is perhaps because I “know” the answers and I am not just tooting my own horn .Actually the answers are everywhere for the collecting. I have a connection to nature I am one with her, and for some reason have always been. Since I see the problems that are leading to our destruction every day it has taken its toll on me when a part of nature dies I feel it, this is what oneness with nature is. The only way “we” can kill as we do is because “we” are not one with her, and I know why. I am the messenger, and naturally people want to shoot me but all I say is not from me or even my intellect, it is from my heart. I have been nice about trying to change thins since toe 1970’s and it hasn’t worked. I have now entered a stage of not winning over people but of the harbinger of doom, I will sow the seeds of my knowledge of our demise. It’s time to wake up and soon it will be evident what I have been saying is true within five years certain aspects of nature will have reached the critical stage. Then we will see the fate of the world and find out if will we sit idly by and watch everything die or do something. That something is to utilize the KNOWLEDGE of science that got us into this mess to get us out of it, science is our only hope. Sorry for the rant, Sean.
through puckering up
April, Are you really so nieve? Humans have become a parasite on the planet and need to change or die with the host. a revolution is needed. Remember what a hero is? This reminds me of Woody Allen talking in a movie to someone about Nazis rallying in Brooklyn and he suggests they go over with baseball bats and teach them a lesson. Someone else says I believe there are different peaceful approaches that work better whereas Woody says. No I believe baseball bats defiantly work better with Nazis. April I have tried 30 years and believe me while people say they care they don’t care enough they just talk to satisfy their conscience as if that is doing something. And while kissing butt to win people over seems persuasive I am through puckering up. I will use the power of memes. I do have an ally and what she will do has the power of billions of baseball bats.
what the eff strap on comment with a nun?
Doc I have reviewed the quarrel and decided you both can stay, but I fail to see why a mind reading claim sparked such a sexual comment, I recall you saying this site is no place for such things. Coming from my inner child I find this almost funny in a twisted way, it reminds me of us. I doubt she will go away like you seem to want you make her retaliate and she will get your blood pressure up. Perhaps you have read into her intentions.
been there
I once owned a restaurant where I posted a sign "our hamburgers are beef if you want pork please order the pork burger.
reputation
Personally I'm with April and applaude her restraint, something we all could learn from her. On a sign at a gas station i once read a sign that said don't poke the bear, good advice. Hey april, I'll be around a couple of weeks.
roles
I wondered what was what sparked the anger, surely there are woman things as well as men things, fishing for example for men and women well knowing what is going on managing family affairs, like my wife, that that doesn’t mean roles can’t be inverted. A woman may like to fish say or a man run the household. I have a traditional marriage but lots of people don’t and well that’s their choice. Sorry to say but my wife totally knows too much about my thoughts, when it gets intrusive, time to fish. ..
Sean
Thai Sean is my nickname gave to me by westerners in Thailand, as in that he's gone over to the enemy, kind like Kurtz in apocalypse now, without the killing but leaving the extreme prejudice. I enjoy living like a Thai person, a good way to live here, duh. Wife farming me fishing, both good, thanks for the interest..
not vampire bat attack silly
Well, thanks to Doc in the below post and to Woody. The bat is a metaphor for a Meme and a Meme is a self replicating infectious idea. There are ideas that if correctly introduced in a palatable way can influence people to unite for a common cause. An example of a meme is “make love not war”, that started a revolution and not only stops war but gets you laid or perhaps a planted suggestion as “got milk”. A meme is a short instantly rememberable idea that suggests you take some form of action. However convincing I make this sound I am still trying to understand how a meme can be employed to save the planet but I am working on it, you will know when we survive, or not. Kssing butt is hardly effective as the Kisser is allways controlled by the kissee because the kissee has what the kisser wants and if the kissee gives it away freely no power.....
April
Hey there April, nice to read you again. The situation from our viewpoint is better left unsaid, but I have been there. The lesson for me is that the written word can be interpreted several ways and well the results are obvious. I learned something and now relearned it, and that is be careful what you say to strangers, wait my mother said something similar to me ...
meme me up scotty
April, perhaps I should have said seemingly palatable. A Meme doesn’t have to be benign; they can be evil and misleading. One could plant a Meme and control some people. I however am looking for a meme that is benign. To see a video about memes go to the following link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzGjEkp772s
sorry jumped ahead off topic
II thought Samsara was right, but what I said is pertinent, this is a clash of ideology. On our side the majority believe that money and power are everything or nearly everything. On the other side they profess to have ethical values at heart. Now neither camp really is this way, the west has people with ethics and the other side has capitalists as well. If you cut out what everyone says they believe what you have is their actions and their actions are pursuant to their desires and these are materialistic. So perhaps it is really about either side getting something they desire and you can bet it isn’t love and compassion it’s about money and hate.
eyebond
Eyebond, an intelligent young poster with potential that has no answers but questions that are worded to produce the answers that he wants. They are not necessarily fact based questions but have something to say to elicit debatable answers, so good questions. I can see why some wouldn’t like the questions as his perspective is not of the “norm” but as questions go they are incisive and interesting. They while being askew the questions beg for answers. I am sorry he left because the world needs people who think outside the box and he is defiantly outside the box…
Gods with qualities
Pleased to meet you Sara, friends it is, no eggshells or anger. I am apprised of the situation, love and understanding shall prevail. If we get offended we will do the appropriate thing, yes? God what a place to start, so without qualities it is. So I surmise you are older, a bit more than I as you are an Nun, I find I am retreating to the forest more and more as I age so we are probably close enough to speak as peers, we are at a similar place in the four stages of life, no? I must state from the start that I do not follow but I use and appreciate the tools of the Hindu and Buddhist religions and my family is Buddhist and we go to temple. I just feel one must discover and live according to what is best for one and I progress faster following my own path, I was not born to follow. Rather than jump to the god subject I will warm up with Myth. I often consider that there is no place where myth is more alive than in India. There it is used as intended, modified and always follows the purpose of myth, keeping one aligned with nature. Everything in the Hindu world seems to me to be about nature and our place in it, that we are it, inseparable except in our brain. I am so indebted to Hinduism and am in awe of the intellectual concepts that have evolved throughout the millennia. If I were never introduced to Indian myth I would not have gotten the big picture as western myth is invalid. I feel most westerners reject Hinduism because they don’t understand mythology and can’t grasp their concept of God and to be honest I do I wonder about the followers of Hinduism, some seem to believe the Gods are not metaphors for the incomprehensible, that they are real in the physical sense. I accept as true that all gods are metaphors, real in the sense that they give a mental image to relate to what can’t be described. That the image is human is because we can relate to a God that has a human image like us. This was stated in the Upanishads “Worship this god, worship that god, one after another; those who follow this law do not know that the source of god is in your own heart. Follow the footsteps to the center and know that you are that of which the gods are born”. This to me says that the gods were invented by man supposedly to use as a metaphor to relate one to the incomprehensible in thoughts and words. The purpose of this relating presumably being to be relate one to the universe the world and your soul. Now please don’t get me wrong I feel that a God can be real as a representation of something that can’t be put into thoughts and words. It is a wholesome human desire to be one with God to be one with nature and experience nirvana but we it need a metaphor to describe it. I keep a drawing of the goddess Saraswati that you name Sara is derived from, and I love her for what she represents, she is a metaphor for me as she represents my goals in life what I strive for. She reminds me what my goals are and aligns me with them. I do feel she is a creation of man not real in the physical sense but representative of qualities I revere, so isn’t she real in that sense? I am not a follower of Hinduism it isn’t necessary for me although I love it. I am using the tools of Hinduism to connect to what is my goal, to guide my life on what I have chosen to be my path. That is what is important to me following my true path and Saraswati helps and although I know she is not real in the physical sense she is a tool that comforts me as she represents the values I deem important in my life, I chose her. It would follow that others revere other gods and goddesses as they represent what is important in their lives and perhaps at different times in their life. Any advice or comment appreciated I would like to understand Hinduism better as it has been beneficial in my life’s goals. Sorry about the qualities to speak of gods without them is difficult the metaphor thing. Later for no qualities I guess…
God myth and qualities
Well well, you forge right in to the heart of matters don’t you Sean. Yes I did become a Nun later after family matters were concluded and of course I’m still there for them, husband gone and all children grown. A bit older than you but in the same ball game. So you were in retreat I see but I put you at the later third stage, no? The Buddha did not follow but he used the traditional Hindu method to achieve nirvana, so you are in good company, nothing wrong there. I find Myth fascinating and have always wondered if it is not the true religion. This brings to mind a quote from Joseph Campbell “definition-religion the misinterpretation of myth”. One would think I would be offended but he has a point, religion is too complex but if reduced to their basic concepts they all can work quite well. Ah yes, India land of a million myths, we write them, modify them, and never through one away, so confusing for the outsider. We modify Gods too as we need to when we change, ha-ha. The only thing that it seems doesn’t change with time is the function of Myth. Nature yes it is everything, “you are that” it is so simple a quote but lots of people search for what they are and never find it, go figure it out. I guess that’s what happens when myths are broken. Followers of Hinduism believing that the gods are physically real, well. From birth we are told stories, (myths) about all the gods, and these stories are told to place an entity forth to emulate and that requires belief that the Gods are physically real. As a child I believed that the Goddess Sarasawati whom I was named for was real and I loved and emulated her and her qualities, and she has served me well, I am completely satisfied with the results, and I have her qualities because I chose them, they were important to me and enabled me to achieve the success in life that I wanted. You Sean unlike me discovered Saraswati much later in life and I see that she serves you well and you don’t even follow. My sister had Lakshimi for a role model a favorite Goddess of the masses, different qualities though, and like myself was similarly successful. There are so many Gods to serve as examples for what one wants in life and while the caste system seems to prevent aspiration to wealth these qualities are present in all classes. After all if one is going to aspire to have qualities why not be like a god. But as we become old and if we are successful in the journey we realize the Gods are metaphors and if you took a spaceship to the gods you would not find Vishnu dreaming our situation, but there is something else and indescribable it is. So one needs something to relate to where they are, or they are lost. Myths are wonderful literary metaphors that are real and connect you to everything and although we do not understand exactly what they mean we experience it and that is a life fulfilled. Yes I see it is hard to write about myth and gods without qualities that is for another time.
sorry for the mistake
Hey we seem to be posting in real time here, sorry for the mistake. This blog program I am using is tricky I made a mistake and pasted your text instead of mine. I am back on Microsoft word now. I did not realize people followed their gods so literally Sara, I considered Lakshimi but she seemed too materialistic, apology to your sister. I heard of the Bollywood star Lakshimi it seems she successful and Lakshimi is the goddess of prosperity. I was wondering where you learned English it seems so good have you lived in India all your life? I enjoyed your post a lot and wanted to reply to tell you before I went to bed as it is two am. So lets keep it up and I will reply later, I am not used to such late hours. It will be my turn to reply. It is noce to have met you.
sorry I made a wrong paste
Hey we seem to be posting in real time here, sorry for the previous mistake. This blog program I am using is tricky I made a mistake and pasted your text instead of mine. I am back on Microsoft word now. I did not realize people followed their gods so literally Sara, I considered Lakshimi but she seemed too materialistic, apology to your sister. I heard of the Bollywood star Lakshimi it seems she successful and Lakshimi is the goddess of prosperity. I was wondering where you learned English it seems so good have you lived in India all your life? I enjoyed your post a lot and wanted to reply to tell you before I went to bed as it is two am. So lets keep it up and I will reply later, I am not used to such late hours. It will be my turn to reply. It is noce to have met you.
April
Oh April, I had no idea you were troubled you didn’t seem disturbed in your posts I reviewed, not that I was here then. The world is messed up one can’t take things to the point that we are overcome by stress. It is important not to let things bother you. There are two kinds of problems ones you can fix so don’t worry about them fix them. Then there are the ones you can’t fix so there is no use to worry about them either. I am glad you got something unexpected though so that’s a plus, perhaps people aren’t so different. If I am around you can always post to me, I care. Love Sean
Hello from Thailand
Ideally you should ask yourself but I can guess that you like to see what makes them work. Like when you did that to the birdcage and they flew away.
me again
Hey, it is me again, I dont mean anything by this but have you noticed you say "I" in almost every post? I am reading have a good day.
spiders
Well April I was going to mention that but I knew you made that connection already. In my houseboat I let the spiders live, they don’t bite me and eat the mosquitoes...
philo
Philosophy is often described as the study of matters concerning existence, truth and knowledge. The philosopher is driven and often unable to stop in the quest such is their circumstance. Great and not so great philosophers have amassed a large amount of works hoping to find ways to resolve our situation and problems to bring understanding to light. Less than one percent have been recognized as worthy of studying and consideration the rest are shunned and labeled as heretics and worse. The failure to consider the plight of the world and a possible solution dictates that no solution will be found unless someone will listen. That is not to say the solution is a correct one but the nature of philosophy is the writing of works in progress to attain a viable solution to our state. So yes philosophers need an audience, and hopefully a contributing one.
Peace Profit from langly, hum ?
Religious monopoly is an impossible thing because the world’s religions could never agree enough to amalgamate into one religion. Each religion believes itself to be the only true religion and all others are false and therefore no one would never embrace a false god. Haven’t you seen evidence of religious conflict over this? I find what you imply suspect, war to put down any religion is not only archaic but immoral and plainly not the problem . The problem lies with those who hide in religion not a particular religion that is aside from militant factions benign.
huh?
Religious monopoly is an impossible thing because the world’s major religions could never agree to form a monopoly or amalgamate into one religion. Each religion believes itself to be the only true religion and all others are false and therefore no one would never embrace a false god. There will be no monopoly on god don’t worry. I find what you imply suspect, wars involving religion is not only archaic but immoral and plainly not the problem the problem always lies with those who hide in religion. See the inquisition and the crusades for example.
CIA?
sorry for the double post, guess I dont get the post and you do. I took it that a religious conflict was stopped by the US involved in Iraq. I cant see where any religious war ever solved anything except population controll. The CIA is in Langly and also in the peace for profit buissness, jumping to conclusions or no? Someone enlighten me...
The prime motive is connection
I am an artist and was a working musician for many years, now I am a writer. True art is reaching deep into your soul and giving the expressed results to others in a form that can be appreciated if done well and the audience can perceive the universal connection, that we all are connected. They may not know exactly what it means but it represents something that grabs you and makes you feel something. Many artists do not know how they do this but the good ones have this connection and express it. True art makes this connection it relates us to everything that is why it is so prevalent in mythology; the job of myth is to relate us to everything as well.
ha warmonger
Israel talks about using Nuks, and who gave them to them oops looks like we did...
save us from ourselves
The USA is the biggest danger as they have used them twice and also depleated uranium shells in the first Iraq war, they dont just talk, they continue to use them. Dont even talk about responsibiIity, I am anti nuke but it is easy to see why everyone wants them for protection from the US.
hi april
Only been back a short time but all I hear is people chattering, the jungle is more peaceful. It is nice to hot shower and eat favorite dishes again. Got a zillion emails people wanting to go up river but December January is better for them, we will see. Haven’t read everything past haven’t seen any Sara posts saw some of yours and docs. Nice to read you again, Sean
hope?
Sorry April, love is the answer but… Hope is indulgence in suffering it does not solve anything; one has to abandon it and do something instead of hoping a solution will just appear from some outside source. Hoping will find you sitting in a rocking chair wondering where your life went and pondering the possibilities of a good future. Doing is the answer.
dreams of glory
Well you don’t understand dreams do you, killing a dragon is conquering that what needs conquering in your own life. That you heard dragons is a bit odd I must admit. Desires are more dangerous than dragons and what you value is fighting, being ruthless to succeed in harming others. What you are describing is the folly of mankind, a good life, not.
interesting
Fewer soldiers are killed nowadays; smart bombs are used allowing them to be far away leaving only civilian “collateral” damage in high numbers, there is discrimination. In Dresden Hiroshima and London civilian areas were targeted but in Iraq no, just very high collateral damage. The aggressively strong will survive and the weak will perish. So what you get is the soldiers surviving no alteration of the primary evolutionary trend .
no bad questions...
It is very possible that Lice is conserving resources, why pick on him? It seems he is more than aware and concerned and can spell better than you. Believing in facts about someone you don’t know is not a wise thing and after all this site is about questions and there is no such thing as a bad question only bad answers…
good
Yes arcyetypes are sterotypical and it is interesting that a single person can have more than one see Jung.
I did what you said to do
I tried your patience thing and well so much for that. I said i cant ask a decent questions I can withdraw it as i posted it, if you dont think it has been withdrawed just watch it.
April,
I notice you collect people like that teacher in the Harry Potter movies. It is so odd that you dont see what I do, that you have the potential to out write them.
doc
the prevailing winds are from the south and are called the Santa Anna winds. anyone who has lived there knows that, also at the time I lived there there were pollution sunsets everywhere. Malibu is on the coast the west coast, not the gulf, perhaps you are thinking of Malibu Texas go here to see one http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uwJAIW53WLg/SWFcKqIkRjI/AAAAAAAALTc/2sq8gLsYY9Q/s400/Malibu+Sunset+by+RJ+Corby.jpg
what happened here is another
the prevailing winds are from the south and are called the Santa Anna winds. anyone who has lived there knows that, also at the time I lived there there were pollution sunsets everywhere. Malibu is on the coast the west coast, not the gulf, perhaps you are thinking of Malibu Texas go here to see one http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_uwJAIW53WLg/SWFcKqIkRjI/AAAAAAAALTc/2sq8gLsYY9Q/s400/Malibu+Sunset+by+RJ+Corby.jpg
glitch of some sort
the prevailing winds are from the south and are called the Santa Anna winds. anyone who has lived there knows that, also at the time I lived there there were pollution sunsets everywhere. Malibu is on the coast the west coast, not the gulf, perhaps you are thinking of Malibu Texas
Harry
The latest Harry potter has a teacher that adopts gifted students. It is just my wierd way of saying you adopt gifted writers and it is obvious you get what they are saying so it follows that you have a talent yourself to write but I dident think you could cast a spell or anything.
doc
Doc having read your post about how your familly ridiculed you it occurs to me you are doing the same to whirlwind It wasent good for them to do it to you and it is not good for you to do it to him...
metsaphor
I should perhaps explain as you don’t know me I am writing metaphorically. Yes there isn’t any obvious answer, the answer is between the lines and although I have an intended answer in mind it is for the reader to interpret. It is possible to have several meanings, as a small tit bit when is someone better than someone else? We all do good and bad so sometimes we do better than another, at another time we do worse. I am inferring and suggesting moral judgments as well. One can make of this what they will and while it is not a direct answer hopefully it is thought provoking for it was inspired from your excellent question.
oneness
Can you do things that you have no explanation why? Do you know things and don’t know why you do? Where do you go when you sleep? Can you feel the answer to a question and bring it out of somewhere and where was that somewhere? If I were to say yes it is possible I would be asking you to believe in the not so new idea that this is one universe, one world and everything in it is so closely connected that there is no difference between you and I or a rock or a penguin and that it is just that the elements of the universe are arranged differently to provide a suitable vehicle and it is our illusions that prevent us from realizing this. But that is asking you to believe and I don’t want that, and you don’t need that. But you can consider it as I did and investigate, but I see you already have done that. If you are hungry for perspectives see Hinduism or Joseph Campbell or Carl Jung on the collective unconscious.
The perils of faith
I have this chair I am sitting in right now, It is a favorite chair but It is not reliable and if I tilt back too fat It will fail me as it did yesterday, it is not prudent for me to believe in it but here I sit and as long as I realize it is not believable everything will be fine but should I be sure it will support me down I go. As long as a sheep believes in the shepherd it will survive but as soon as it loses faith the wolf will pounce so it is prudent for it to believe in the shepherd until slaughter that is. Belief is a dangerous thing; I personally don’t believe or urge others to do so. There is no physical object person place or thing that is reliable, even ideas, morals, theology and ideologies will perhaps fail you in time of need. To believe in yourself because that is all you really have seems sensible, all else will break down and fall away. The body that you hold so dearly will wither on your bones and all that you once had will fade away, your parents, all your family, all that you once have seen, felt, loved and believed in will one day be lost to you, so this is why I say please don’t believe because in the end everything material breaks down and becomes something new something different and this is not bad it is the way the ever changing universe works. We exist in an ever changing state and you can believe if you wish but isn’t it better to live your own life, shine like a billion diamonds and reap the whirlwind.
I dreamed I was a child
I had several children and when they were young it was necessary for them to have explicit belief and faith in me. They had to know that I knew what was best for them because they knew not. But the time came for them to have faith in themselves and that was good. There are people that for reasons I will not get into here want to follow a leader, Hitler was a great leader. There are also religious leaders that are charlatans, no more than thieves. Surely it is anyone’s prerogative to choose and you can have faith in a jacket with holes in it on a winter day if you want to. But people do get forced and coerced into things like marriage or and war. People try to influence others into doing things to control and manipulate them for profit; they induce them to have faith or belief in them for their personal gain. Life is about choice and it is not possible to make the best choice every time and surely we can learn from our mistakes, but belief in something other than ourselves is not a choice at all it is not choosing. Truth is the most subjective subject around, there is no human basis for it, no one agrees and they will even argue that people do agree. The consensus is that there is and is no consensus. And if sometimes we have to go out on a limb and believe in someone like your wife or girlfriend well I hope that trust is well placed, for if she is worthy it is a miracle and although miracles do happen the chances that they will continually happen to you is slim at best. Disclaimer: All the above is subject to non belief and I am not to be held responsible for any belief or non belief in the above content.
to lice
Lice, he is just in a mood. Don’t take it seriously, perhaps he is a nemesis. I have one on this site and while they irritate they can be very useful. I suggest you speak your mind and know you are not alone there are people here who appreciate you and share the same thoughts. Thai Sean
Stick it out lice
This site is often disappointing; the same things that plague the world plague this site. If someone doesn’t see things your way you can try to win them over or just state your case and let others decide who is making the best point. Either way I know you will find a place here if you want it. I see you have a good heart and mind. Stick it out, it can stimulate your thoughts and affect what you write in a positive way. Know you have friends here, such as myself and I believe I can speak for April as well.
alternate realities
Your question was “who is to say what is real”. And in your disagreement you say what is real is the man will be injured. This is your reality where you submit that the there is curiously a 98% chance that the person will die. So there is a 2% chance that the person will live, perhaps the round will misfire; call this my reality where the person would be uninjured. So there are two possible realities dependant on if the gun fires or not. You are the one to say what is real for your reality an injured man and I am to say what is real for my reality an uninjured man. That there is a measly two percent for my reality suggests that your reality is likely to exist. So it is me and you who say what will be real and in other situations it is all of us who say what is real. What is real is what happens what doesn’t happen is not real as it doesn’t exist.
more monkey
Hey I like you because you like me and I am an animal, are you one too, I think you are. Please change your name to monkey man and we can scratch each other and pick fleas Those humans are too selfish aren’t they but they are so clever they are always up to no good and that god idea they came up with it is genius...
you are genius April
I suspect you dont realise what you have here is the same thing that the famous Carl Jung came up with, you have achieved what he did...
sorry retraction
I meant eliminate instead of repress if they are repressed they will eventually flare up stronger than before. Is thgis ok doc a retraction?
Punch a executive in the nose before he steals
One man’s terror is another man’s gain, sift the ashes and find the answers that lead to peace. Those who would kill first and let god sort them are not heroes a hero does not strike first, that is a coward and a usurper of freedom and justice.
you did well
Welcome to the site and I mean no disrespect to your gender. I asked this question because it was on the home page and wasn’t being answered and it is so controversial that I thought I could spice things up a bit. Idiocy of course is not only the domain of man but can surely apply to a woman. I will concede that women are more ethical perhaps because they have the strength of birthing and nurturing but I tend to think that men are more logical, it was largely men who wrote the classic books on logic and reason. Different, well that depends on how the anima and animus has developed in a person, men have the traits of a woman and vice versa. And yes as you suggest a feminist and a non feminist will have a different point of view and I submit that there is a balance where the two can exist as can a man and a woman can live in concord.
yes
This says it nicely, the way I say it “be one with the universe” comes off a bit wacky…
yes or no he he...
Here there are no yes or no questions, that would be so boreing just think of it yes and no throughout the site, ha ha.
after reading I agree
After reading parts of her “Free” book, i.e. the posts of mine, I saw your point about myself perhaps being considered a lesser mortal. It also seemed that she was stealing questions, why not answer her own? To post steal and go away does seem self grandiseing and in poor taste and then to repost the book, well that says our answers weren’t worth including. Then I thought why not offer the best of thai sean and others could do so as well and after consideration I figured why not just use the site as is and the answer seems to be indeed why not.
bravo
Self intrest rules unfortunatly. By the way I like your user name. I can just picture you going about your business running into things because you are lost in thought, it makes me chuckle to myself.
hard to answer an ambigious question
Upon my reading this question seemed unanswerable i think that you have come as close as posible depending on survival of the species and the world. But what is civil and the intentions of people may play a part on that.
error
An excuse is that the kids gummed up the keyboard and I wish the font size on the site would be larger...
joke
The typo was a joke glad you got it... Word 2007 has an excellent spellchecker and thesaurus.
spiritual development
No weddings attended any funerals? I do not wish to pry but I have never met someone such as you. I would try to keep this amazing record but as far and your spiritual development goes isn’t there something that causes you to wonder about why people develop an interest in things other than what they see and what their limited senses can feel. The wonder of a tree or the amazing glory of the universe holds no question in your mind no “why” cries out for an answer? Many people such as I have developed an understanding that God is everything, you, a flower, a rock, a river, all that exists within our miraculous universe. You do mention self realization but do you think that you are something that different from all else? My understanding is that God is a metaphor for that which is unexplainable using mere words and that god is not a grey haired man in the clouds that will condemn you for being human. As much as I don’t want to offend you I can’t help considering that you are god and haven’t realized it. I plead my case for your heartfelt consideration that there is something spiritual that you need not go to a church to discover but go unto yourself and know that I love you.
EXCUUSSEE me
I said they were excuses and excuses are what one gives because they dont do what is required to solce a problem...
whew
Marriage nothing more than a vow and rings, double hum. I suggest you ask someone long winded who has been married say over twenty years all that a marriage is and sit down and wait several days’ weeks or longer until they have given a partial account of all that entails. As far as allowing it goes, well if they want the all too few satisfactions, the pains, heartaches, aggravations, inconveniences, naggings, dictations, irritations, and not to mention the enormous stress why should they not be as miserable as the rest of us… If you are not at least smirking you haven’t gotten my intent.
ignorance is bliss
While being aware doesn’t necessitate happiness there is some truth to the adage ignorance is bliss. Sometimes I get so burdened by the hopelessness of things that it is hard to see a way to be happy. And when I say hopelessness I mean the dire state of mankind and the world he is destroying. In this there is no winning side apparently and making a change is difficult to say the least. That it is misapplied intelligence that has brought us to this junction makes me wonder if we have the ability to make use of our intelligence to pull ourselves out of the quagmire we are drowning in. In other words through the use of my intelligence in discerning the dire situation of the world leads me to experience an unhappy state.
the truth of truths
You are so correct we don’t act like god do we. And who said self realization was so hard? All I did was look at myself and the world around me and said “I am god” then the doctor slapped me on the butt and I forgot. The rest of my life is remembering and then acting like one that is the hard part. To paraphrase Joseph Campbell “This is the truth of truths this is what the gods are all about, god and all the heavens and hells are you, it is not something that happened a long time ago. The passage is from dream to vision to the gods and they are you. So find them in yourself and take them into yourself and you will be awakened in your life”.
April
I suggest you should get your intuition checked perhaps it needs a tune up, ha ha.
ask yourself because we dont know you well
I wouldent ask thie question as an wrong answer could **** you up. Ask your self what kind of a storm was it? was it frightening? What is presently going on in your life that is simmillar. What in your life presently is like a storm that cries out for resolution, then resolve it.
ss or heros
It is the citizens that hire the police and are suppossed to make laws that are reasonable and just. Leading by example starts at the ballot box...
controll it?
What if you killed someone, should you go free to kill again? Authority? why dont you controll it?
Oh April here we go again
Oh April here we go again, after consideration I recall this bent of yours that we here at this website are somehow changing the world, but your optimism may be misplaced. It is probable that we are changing opinions of people bringing in not so new ideas and hashing them around but the world? By the world I am assuming you mean the problems we have created and wish to solve. We are communicating here and if someone here has actually done something other than spout off argue and agree I am unaware of it and would like to know about it. Good Ideas and solutions will wither away and die soon after they leave the brain if not implemented. People don’t want solutions they want something that will allow them to continue on the way they do without a day of reckoning for their actions. They want resources to last forever; they do not want solutions because they would have to change their lifestyle. It will take millions of people to change the world it is so corrupted, and a tremendous amount of action is required; solutions are for naught if not put into action and this is where we all fail. I am sorry but you overestimate me if I were to die tomorrow no one would not notice, and if everyone would die the world would get along so much better without us.
jung
Yes the archetype, he referred it as like a negative image that we must fill in or develop the archetype to introduce it to our ego to be used as a personality trait. And where these archetypes come from is the collective unconscious through evolution and heredity an imprint was made in our minds. We are pre wired with possible traits that will make us a type of person and although we will choose unconsciously who we will become we can influence our choice consciously if we understand and implement out conscious desire to our unconscious mind and the place to do that is in dreams. Dream on, I will shut up now should I wake you…
right
this is avoiding the triggers that cause a migraine to occur but the migraine is waiting to be set free and a reigger releases it.
imagine this
Humans losing their physical attributes that have a function such as hair to warm, teeth to chew, a nose to smell, etc., because he doesn’t need them due to technology…
possible confusion
This is what I meant when I asked wouldn’t it be better if answers and comments loaded at the same time? Although I would like this I am not sure how it would work, what I do know is that what we have now is not so good and few people even go back and laboriously search the comments and while I do I find it disorienting and I often lose a train of thought. I hoped that enough people would post that the men behind the curtain (the moderators) would get on it, but oh well everyone knows I can’t ask a good question.
post
The parent post? your post, what one? see what I mean there is no concise way to refer to a thread I am getting boggled the more I read. If a new site would apear that is better would you go to it and leave this site?
sorry doc
Maybe you haven’t experienced this because you are spoiled in America but this site is quite piggy. Here the front page takes over a minute to load far longer than any other sire except Wikipedia. Often when a comment is sent the site freezes up altogether and I have to control/alt /delete to recover. When these things happen I reopen and well there is no post that I made there. So I resend then I usually see one post. Later however the other post pops up out of eitherspace. If you are annoyed EXCUUSEE me imagine how it annoys me...
look under my username
Evidently the site has a word limit I did not know of, I posted an extensive migraine guide that didn’t show up, however if you look under thai sean it is at the bottom of my answer page.
genocide
I have allways been ashamed of being part native american because of the genocide. A large pert of me killed a small part of me...
wait before
Actually I am ashamed of being mostly non native american I am ashamed of saying to a native brother I am a native because of the genocide, oh how I wish I had never brought this up...
i have used it
It works to stop a migraine It soes not prevent or lessen thier frequency. It is yet another drug causing you to be drug dependent and costs $20. a pill. I use a pill refined from Ergot a herb here it is 5 cents a pill and works well stipping one. If one can get thge actual herb that would be good.
empire
Europeans caused the treat genocide to claim their lands and build their empire this hasn’t changed we are now after recourses for the empire war is over two things land and recourses.
between the words
The myth of Eden may have been condensed as it were to a time frame that could be understood by people of a time who had no conception of evolution and a poor understanding of the time scale involved. Part of this myths relevancy is that it corroborates the evolution of our species and our brain.
laws
This is good doc, We wouldent need laws if everyone knew how to act responsibly and since they dont we have them.
b
b-Faster than the bear can eat your friend. c-Faster than a bear with a full stomach can run.
exerpt from an article if mine
It is not hard to see that Christianity was transformed from the founding tenants of love and compassion based on the individual’s personal quest for God to a religion where you can only be “saved” through the Christian Church. This delivered the power to control the masses to the church and the government where it still remains today. We are living a life of exile where good and bad are the most important factors to us. Of course what we have is the best and what you have is bad and if you don’t see things my way I will force you to. We have eaten from the tree and it is a bitter fruit. So the question that looms is how can a religion that has been so ravaged by the church possibly save anyone? Thankfully for Christians the bible still has enough myth and metaphor to help you along your way. You’ll just have to read it differently from a metaphorical perspective. Save yourself, for that is what was intended all along.
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Listen here sonny never buy crack from a bad man, only buy crack from a good old boy, that away when you light up yull know that you won’t get hurt. Just like shine in my time, that away you won’t go blind like me.
Protest I not enough
April, read part of an article I wrote please. The reason I stated that the church has no domain over the individual is because the church thinks they do and wars genocide and terror is done in the name of God and saviors. Scream it I will... THE MANIPULATION OF MYTH AND ITS CONSEQUENCE The manipulation of Christian Myth is of historical record and is there for anyone to explore and please do, you will find the following is an accurate account of history. However one should consider that many varied secular beliefs arose that did not necessarily align with the following dogma. Several centuries after Christ’s death came the turning point away from the metaphorical interpretation of the bible to a literal one where the metaphor was thereafter to be considered historical fact. This was done under the rule of Theodosius when he declared Christianity the only religion permitted in the Roman Empire. What came to pass is that only a single interpretation of the bible was allowed, a literal one. Thanks to St. Augustine and others a literal historical interpretation was imposed on all Christians. This was likely where the foundation was laid to subjugate the masses and set the stage for the inquisition and the Crusades. The inquisition and the crusades was where pain, suffering and death were the tools religion employed to convert followers and kill its enemies in the name of God. That way the church was innocent of any crimes or wrongdoings. People were slow to convert so they were compelled to convert or die as heretics. The literal truth of the bible was imposed by force and by the certainty of a slow death by torture. When the New Testament was edited from the original doctrine the parts that were obviously metaphorical in their meaning were left out. Of course there is still a lot of metaphorical content there. In the recent past doctrines were found at Nag Hammadi. These documents were written by St. Thomas and were preserved for the future and are claimed to be explicitly the very words of Christ. So far these doctrines are not accepted by the church and they are not likely to be. A significant controversial statement that he made was that The Kingdom of the Father will not come by waiting for it, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it. This obviously means that heaven on earth won’t come literally as a historical fact because it is already here but we haven’t found it psychologically within ourselves. This means don’t look for god in the church look for god within yourself 2 (113). Now how can the church teach the love and compassion of Christ on one hand and manipulate the masses and initiate violence with the other? The answer is that isn’t Christianity, it is the manipulation of it. It is not hard to see that Christianity was transformed from the founding tenants of love and compassion based on the individual’s personal quest for God to a religion where you can only be “saved” through the Christian Church. This delivered the power to control the masses to the church and the government where it still remains today. We are living a life of exile where good and bad are the most important factors to us. Of course what we have is the best and what you have is bad and if you don’t see things my way I will force you to. We have eaten from the tree and it is a bitter fruit. So the question that looms is how can a religion that has been so ravaged by the church possibly save anyone? Thankfully for Christians the bible still has enough myth and metaphor to help you along your way. You’ll just have to read it differently from a metaphorical perspective. Save yourself, for that is what was intended all along.
well
you asked why he defenceiveness. To me that says why am i defenfing my point and well I get carried away. Sorry I dident mean anything personal perhaps I allways feel I have to do my best to help. Love Sean
injustice
Ok I went back and reread and what you said is “what is your point and why are you so defensive” I am defensive because of the injustice of the manipulation of myth to subjugate the masses into following those who manipulate religions and not the Gods or saviors, like Jesus, not to mention the wars in the name of gods. I am defending what Jesus and the Buddha taught because they need defending to their own students. I say students because they were teachers and the church wants to teach not what Jesus said but what they want you to follow and that is the manipulation of Jesus. Furthermore if people would see the value in mythology and its purpose to help you understand that everything and everybody is one and the same be they human, animal, vegetable, or mineral they just might get together and save this planet. So that is my point and it always has been by and large my only point and if I am continually hitting people over the heads with this it is because their heads are so hard. And I am sorry if I have sometimes lumped you together with the hard heads yours is not so hard and I am not angry I am just a minor hero at work waiting impatiently for someone to ask the right questions.
thanks and I am sorry
How much time do you think the planet has before we destroy it April. Is it possible those who are unlike me are too patient? The remnants of religions and governments have taken over the world, the world is mad and needs the wisdom that has been amassed throughout the ages, it is there for the understanding but they will not see it. It’s not some crackpot idea saving the world; we have the knowledge to do so we just don’t care. You are right about compassion I am getting less and less compassionate towards humans and when the planet starts to deteriorate past the point of no return I my compassion for them will be gone. But you got caught up in this undeservedly and I do care about you. Perhaps we will meet one day sifting through the remains of a library, I will be in the you know what section…
spiritual and physical reality for me
I said the world, a world is often referred to as a terraformed planet where a planet can be like Saturn say. Anyone can check the rate of endangered species and get the point and that point is that is we are destroying life forms. The planet is a rock and as much as I may try I can’t communicate much to it other than I know I have similar elements inside me. Earth Air Fire and Water now we are getting somewhere, I can relate to them. As we consider the millions of life forms we can see that there something amazing going on here. The evolutionary record is an amazing thing that we know that doesn’t happen just anywhere; that it has happened here is really something of Galactic proportions. This world is much different than a rock it is magic, something extraordinary. Sure the planet supplied the building blocks but life took on dynamism of its own and flourished in a synergistic interdependent manner. And man of course that the rouge species that has rebelled against this interdependency, he is more important, he can use all the building blocks of nature to destroy all life forms on the planet, and when he does we will be the smartest species in the ashes.
enjoyed this
Grandparents were both pastors I was suppossed to be one too. Weslean Methodist close to the Amish, but allowed for metaphor but not evolution.Okanwan Go GU RU was my dicipline but not practicing for 35 years.
gave up on me
I have been on my own since 16, and thier beliefs are far past eccentric that my decisions in that direction seem normal. Of course i am going to hell.
oops
You are right, most of my posts are written in less than five minutes, the words flow freely with mistakes. When I write for real I am constantly editing. Anyway you knew what I meant and besides April who is reading? I have been at odds with humans lately and I apologize for my lack of comprehension.
frankly I dont give a Damn
Scarlet was a southerner so that makes sense, but seriously, I am with Jesus on this one and the Buddha as well. Interpreted metaphorically “Heaven is on earth and men do not see it” and so is Hell. We make our own heaven or hell and live in it, Heaven and Hell is a psychological condition.
you could let me slide
Oh come on doc, when one writes an article it has to be correct, among friends like you and April I thought I could let things slide a bit but perhaps I can’t. You are so picky sometimes…
well i see
You have a point, I had a opinion based on the problems of the small farmer, my familly. perhaps the small farmer should recieve subsifies to stay afloat but not the corporations. It was the corpotations that all but drove out the small farmers. Good insight from you I did not know all the figures and felt pity for the small farmers..
Real fast
I did say it three times real fast and those who speak only thai around me thought I was nuts...
Wisdom is simply the teacher?
I would rather say wisdom is the correct application of knowledge, dont you think a teacher could be unwise? Knowledge is often applied wrongly resulting in disaster.
anything explained by science?
Hey I like your posts and have a comment. I think you are right humans have had a violent environment throughout history and this is possibly a part of the human character, violence begets violence be it a loud argument or worse. Also few people have learned how to be compassionate, sounds a bit odd to say but if people would have a heart about those they love well the violence would let up. Surely everything has not been explained by science yet. And I submit that it is the scientists who were bewildered and that is what drove them to learn. I am familiar with science and am not as enamored as you, I consider it the most dangerous thing that has happened to man and likely the tool of his demise and this is mostly because the scientists and their employers are not wise and moral, they are causing the end of the world as we know it. There are moral scientists but they are not listened to as what they say is not profitable and profit is paramount. Thanks for the post hope I didn’t soap box too much…
ok
But my point is those who determine the application DONT understand the concenquences of the science to be used.
A minor hero
I said I was a minor hero what do you expect a miracle? You humans are so hard to please. See what I mean, everyone expects water into wine. I would not be so presumptuous to speak for those two. And perhaps the drowning man was a murderer and was making some kind of restitution or a cancer patient in pain. I have been studying you humans more and more and compared to other animals you aren’t measuring up so well, human life seems to be highly overrated. When people speak of love and compassion they mean love and compassion for humans as if they are the only species that deserve it. I did say “I will not falter or give up for it is my chosen task and I will not disgrace those who came before”, what more will stop your humming. If I am judgmental perhaps I am looking for a different species more deserving than mankind, I saved a dog the other day, he so deserved, and she is playing no part in the destruction of the planet. A dog hero well at least she listens…
lasso the moon
Oh yes I am not George Bailey and there is no angel waiting to be saved so he can help me lasso the moon. And although he was a hero after all that is fiction and the truth is much different. The truth about humanity well believe me you don’t want to know how bad we are…
The hijacking of the species
I like you a lot April and others, because you care. The other humans well not at all, I would be ashamed to be like them because I know better. There is a faction of mankind that has hijacked the species and are like a virus spreading with unbelievable speed killing all that they come in contact with. In the past they were called evil, now well I guess I would call them a self serving faction of the human species that is pathologically destructive to not only their own species but all life on this world. They have a mental illness that is so bad I often consider that they cannot be cured. They deserve more than critique they deserve to be censured and made to cease and desist their actions of annihilation. Luckily for them I don’t have a violent bone in my body. They are a blight upon the face of the earth spreading disease and sickness, call them what you will but they are the curse of mankind and no one does anything about them. If they are left to their own device the world is doomed, that is our fate and that fate was made by their actions, the poisons that they serve is all in the factory manufactured food we eat and the poisons they use to kill insects whose life have a purpose. They are the destroyers of natural habitats; they have paved over paradise and put up a parking lot. As they are mentally ill they can be cured but they don’t want to be cured, they will kill until their last breath. So now you don’t have to jump and hopefully you understand why I am so critical. My question to you and all others is why aren’t you critical as well ,for we are the cure to this illness me and you and everyone who would use our combined knowledge to save the world. I have enormous potential as do you and all who care but caring doesn’t count unless you do something. So I am saving stray dogs that will die before the world’s demise, lucky them. She is the ugliest dog I have ever seen but has a heart larger than most humans and has never harmed a single human being. So now you see, I am the champion of dogs because they deserve to have someone who cares and does something for them and there is a mangy stray cat down the street that is quite nice as well…
To me you are everything.
Not so far off topic. What separates humans from animals is that you have a choice, you are what you choose to be and your consciousness can be limited to yourself or unbounded sensing and understanding all that you want to. You create your existence each and every day; you have the power of creation and destruction. You can believe that you are a separate entity or realize that you are not only a part of everything united in purpose but that you literally are everything. I am considering that the enlightenment you are referring to is the realization that there is no self other than the ego that you have created and that you are one with the universe but have not fully realized it, but damn you are so close...
not kidding
The dog is real, and to clarify I am becoming not so concerned about the welfare of humans but the planet and the lifeforms that they are killing. As far as the other humans that do not want to kill I applaud them and invite them to join in the rescue. You will listen April and Doc because you understand but the people who are causing the worlds demise will not hear, it isn’t in what they perceive to be in their best interest to hear. I have limited hero powers I can’t force them to hear, the dog well she hears my every word unfortunately she can’t save the world and neither can I. So I do what I can while I can, I have no publisher no one wants to read my works and although I have not failed yet it is likely I will and the world as we know it is doomed to the fate that we have created. I am not sitting here depressed I am going out and work on my boat; I am just knowing of the situation and at times I am sad and happy and all the states in-between, I am a balanced person who understands and cares so don’t think I have gone over the edge. I am coming to the logical conclusion that everything we all know is soon going to end and that there is nothing that I working alone can do about it but I will keep trying. You can believe that your God will come down and save you if you like but I believe that what people call God is in us and when we have awakened to that power it will be up to us. But we are sleeping and if we sleep to long it will all be over and there will be nothing to wake up to. .
yes doc
I agree with all you say, but I was once in a choir and I wont tell you about the sins that went on behind the curtian... But serriously nothing short of an envrionmental revolution will suffice.Hope yoy are making progress settleing in we are finishing up the small farm house where we will likly life out the final years of the planet, a bad joke sorry...
stray humans
The root of the problem is those who control the fate of the world. Sure we can help the innocents but more innocent victims will follow, there is an endless line of them that have been chewn and spit out of the ranks of society, disposable people whom all monetary value has been wrung out like water from a washcloth. Until the upper ranks of society change this will not stop, until the illness is cured this will go on until the rapidly approaching end. Yes by all means help the innocents but it is just a band aid on a gaping wound. As one of my heroes Carl Jung said “We need more understanding of human nature because the only real danger that exists is man himself, he is the great danger, and we are pitifully unaware of it, we know nothing of man, far too little, his psyche should be studied because we are the origin of all coming evil”. Until we can balance out our Psyche, understand how it works we will be tormented and do destructive things, we will be deranged. And the cure is oddly what all the saviors say, love and compassion and the understanding that what you get is what you make and if you don’t fully consider your actions you will become a destructive force and the ultimate result of this destructive force is the end of the world. The Apocalypse is a metaphor, we are the apocalypse, the apocalypse is now and we are the source of the destruction, we are the origin of evil and should we realize this we will be saved. This is not some religious or scientific mumbo jumbo; it is understanding that has been around for thousands of years, it is knowledge and wisdom. There is no reason to search very hard for the answer to these problems the answer is there to be understood and applied. Open your eyes and you shall see, look and you shall find.
Sorry for directness I mean no disrespect
If people are the keepers of the world they are doing a lousy job, I don’t think they are. What would happen if zoo keepers went around shooting all the animals, botanists went around killing all the plants? Bringing your God into this doesn’t he love all creatures? And if this is so I wonder what God would think about what we are doing to his creation. Compassion and logic are two different things and what about mythology? If mythology gets one connected to the rest of the world so you realize there is no separation we are all made from the same type of matter just arranged differently, what is the difference between a person and a dog? Why is one better than another? This is the cure realizing that you are a dog, a tree, a flower, a cantaloupe, whatever. Being compassionate happens after the problem, it eases the pain but it solves nothing, are you suggesting compassion for the killers of the world? They do not want or deserve it. The compassionate people need to use their combined power to save the world and all they are doing is running about with a box of band aids.
the club
The way the world works is the powerful and greedy have this club and you and I are not in it. We are those who believe we have no power; we have been strategically placed in a class that consumes and has become the force that drives the economy that serves the rulers. Here is where the powerful minority subjugate the seemingly powerless majority. It is not the deepest desires of out rulers to have peace, justice and equality. If that would happen they would have less and having less is not what they are about. The reason the rulers are so powerful is that we gave them the power; we buy all their poisons and enable them to subjugate us. The only evil that exists is man and those who are not evil permit the evil to happen because they are busy being nice good consumers. However the real power is in the hands of the silent majority should they use it, and I am not talking about violence. I am talking about economic and ecologic sustainability, a non violent revolution. This is what could happen to save the world; we have the science all it takes is stop thinking about putting useless band aids on a huge wound and help your brothers and sisters who are not something different they are the other species in the world. The monetary resources that were being given to the corporations to make the poisons could be redirected by us to save the world from the poisons. Money spent on war could be directed to help not harm. This could all be done within the democratic process and need not be a violent revolution, violence never solves anything. What it takes is for those who love and care to direct their power and compassion to the appropriate place, to our mother who is dying.
the other hand
But what if there were a meaning to your life and you didn’t know what it was, you would never achieve it. If you never found a reason for your existence your fate would be in the hands of others. Being a pawn in the game of life instead of making your own fate based on what you want your life to stand for, following your dreams and achieving happiness.
thanks doc
Actually I do not want to be harsh but I do get tired of saying the same things over and over and I know I act out irritably at times, however I mean no disrespect but I wish to make a point and often it becomes necessary to use a heavy hand on the keypad, come to think of that perhaps that is why the keys stick…
Did I actually read this from you?
This is not matters taking their own course it is mankind being off course careening dangerously towards a crash on world scale. It is an unnatural turn of events because we are estranged from the natural world, we are unnatural. To use God as an excuse to plunder the world is irresponsible, it is a sin of the greatest proportion. You are suggesting that children need not learn to be responsible caring people because their parents will step in when they do something bad, get in trouble and make it all better. Wisdom ha, what on earth are you thinking? First you say if we are the products of evolution then matters are taking their own course, then you say that of we are not products of evolution we must have a designer, either way or both doesn’t alter the situation that we are in error and deserve to be judged and punished if there is a God for killing just about everything we come in contact with so far and or judged later for killing everything. We are guilty now of innumerable ecological crimes and perhaps if we wise up we can reverse the trend and make some kind of sustainable ecological restitution. Becoming a responsible species worthy of your Gods praise not scorn. Or if there is no God, well we get off being just the most evil blight on the face of the earth to ever evolve and devolve. And don’t you say go back and reread my post, I read it and I dismiss it. If this is what you are about you are the problem not the solution and I was in error for thinking otherwise.
doc good post
Good post. I do not appreciate the concept of hoping because it stops us from doing, however I hope it is not too late but I see no signs of change only entropy.
I think and do, I do not hope
I find that hope is not apathy it’s sitting around hoping someone else will for it for me; I would rather not hope it is an enabler to be lazy. Also I don’t have faith that things will turn out right for the same reason, I don’t believe. If I believe everything will be OK well there is no reason to fix a problem, it will fix itself somehow, but that’s just me I guess, but I got this concept from Joseph Campbell…
good story
And then there is the girl like mine that would be so happy and would go home and play computer games.... But seriously doc doing beats hoping every time; those who hope, and consider that they should do as well are few and far between.
Home planet contest
Yes brothers and sisters! We have a winner for the caring starts for your home planet contest. You get to pass go and live for eternity on the world of your choice, but not this world of for course it is going to die…
I wonder why you dont
Justin, I have read your post faithfully and your answers and comments show a lot. why arent you following your dreams? This is what make one happy, I am sure you know this, Sean.
doc
Doc, she gets to go because she won’t kill the other planet. She is only one person out of billions so sorry the population will stay about the same. Sorry relocating to another world is costly and the visa is very hard to get, they screen everyone and only accept evolved humanoids.
three words
Just testing the teacher about three words, you pass like I thought you would...
"WE"
You alone and I alone are powerless but put us with all the others who would if they could and actually will do, and the environmental revolution has begun. And that is what it will take to save the world and ourselves.
Big and small dreams
Jason, Nice to really know you, I am Sean. Being trapped in a situation is the most common excuse for not following ones dreams. Perhaps you are still in school but realize that soon people do what nearly everyone else does, sell themselves to society. That is using credit as enslavement and generally buying into the lifestyle that will tie you down. What people do is conform to society. That is not following ones dream and the best time to change that is now before you get really tied down, am I making sense? I have followed many dreams, some better than others and frankly some didn’t pan out but following them was a blast. Following your dreams is doing what you like, following your heart and you can do it now in some form even though you are tied down, you must have a hand free to do something you like. You can plan for the future, discover your dreams little and great by investigating your talents in certain areas perhaps, music, art, boatbuilding, flying, driving race cars, something that excites you and makes your life an adventure, it could be anything and many things. I want you to know that it is possible for you now, I have done it and I am doing it, and millions are doing it right now. There is someone in a prison who is doing it in some form, perhaps he is working in the prison garden. The adventure that is your life needs a start; all you have to do is what you like. Dreams put off will die and you will become lost in the mundane existence without meaning, reason or most of all fun…
That word
Doc you are correct in your definition and have a valid point but when that word is used it seldom if ever has the meaning you suggest however the powerless majority is powerless due to self imposed ignorance, and when I use that word I mean not knowing, not mental capacity. And yes we need to regain our power as you say. The reason I do not use that word is that typically it is used to insult some poor unfortunate person who has a limited mental capacity due to a physical defect, a physical problem and it is not nice to do that. Just about any mentally retarded person is so much nicer than those who use that word to describe an inferior person it makes me wonder who is retarded. If one looks at the "challenged” people as a whole they are some of the nicest people you could hope to meet and be with.
truth or lies
Ah yes, a lie is easier at times but they come back and bite you in the ass while the truth will set you free.
Thanks doc for the opportunity.
Archetypical images may or may not be primordial images the primordial types are inherited from your ancestors genetically and how one reacts to them determines the kinds of life experiences that person will have. These images reside in the collective unconscious. An archetypical image is God, Mother Earth, a devil, trickster, and hero, these images are limitless but some are more significant than others. They also include natural archetypes such as the sun, wind, rivers and fire. These images are latent images like a negative photographic image that is developed by the individual through their life experiences. You develop the photo into what it means to you. There are images that are not easily recognized by the conscious mind as per their significance, fire for instance to most people is a way to cook but it is a extraordinary power. How we perceive these images consciously is our interpretation of the primordial and archetypical images that reside in the unconscious mind. They must be interpreted to the conscious mind to understand their significance. What does Mother Earth, God, or fire mean to you are they real, and what is their significance to you? This is the commonality between myth and dream, or the psyche and mythology. The use of recognizable people places and events localize a myth and provides a story line that the conscious mind can easily understand, but it is the primordial and archetypical images of the unconscious that provides the deeper meaning that makes a myth out of a story.
I dont type the word retarded...
The way a word is used as per the writers intentions describes the meaning that person is putting across. To use the word ignorance in this case is referring to an unknowing person. The reason one chooses not to use a word may be not to infer superiority or cause unhappiness or sorrow, to hurt a person’s feelings, this is called compassion. I have had "retarded" friends and they can be kind nice and considerate. I hope this clears up the situation for you.
check your bone
I don’t use it but I can describe how others use it as an insult or to describe an unfortunate person with diminished mental capacity. I don’t get your amusement, I was referring to the way the word is misused, I am sure you are aware that people misuse the word. I only used it to describe why I don’t like the word and choose not to use it other than to describe how it is used. You are easily amused April, perhaps you should get your funny bone checked…
good?
Bravo all this is good for society but is a society good if it pollutes and destroys the earth?
Hello back to you.
Your very incite full comment has I believe hit the nail on the head. The individual with the ego that he or she has built of should I say overbuilt, leaves one with no one who cares to share happiness with, who wants share happiness with someone who cares only for themselves. This broader sense of happiness is gone in some places but alive in others, usually in small towns and underdeveloped countries. Likely this broader happiness has suffered under the industrial and the information age. On the subject of global happiness I would like to add that people aren’t the only species that feels happiness, dogs for instance and happiness is felt all through the animal kingdom. Surely you can share happiness with another species. Happiness is and I have experienced it as a holistic feeling that at least for the moment things are just right; a bird sings over ones head, small animals scurry at play; trees upturn their leaves to catch the rain in a way that it appears to be happy. I submit that happiness is indeed global and some form of it is experienced by all living species and the ultimate happiness is realizing this and sharing this happiness with everything. This is an element of oneness, the interconnected synergistic nature of all living things. Thanks for your comment.
Dont look
Don’t look now April but your ego is showing, and myth is not about ego it is about the absence of it and a story all about the ego can’t relate one to what is egoless. This story is about the clash of egos and if that illustrates the problems with the ego. That in some way may show the folly of thought to express the inexpressible but that is a big stretch and then only a mental result is achieved what transcends the forms of thought and words does not happen. If you want to believe it is a proper myth that relates you to the universe, your universe is very small; all it has is people and their egos in it. One can’t just through a god or two into the story and call it a proper myth. What I was doing is called "critical mythology" this is what Jung, Campbell, Heinrich Zimmer and others do and it has its limits as you say but if we are to write or talk about it as we do that is all we have, remember you asked the question...
Your quest is just and the absolute awaits.
April, question all you want if it pleases you, I happen to know the answer here. There are no absolutes in this world and likly many others, however I am experiencing myth and it am awakened in my life and that is the difference between me and you.
Your quest is just and the absolute awaits.
April, question all you want if it pleases you, I happen to know the answer here. There are no absolutes in this world and likly many others, however I am experiencing myth and it am awakened in my life and that is the difference between me and you.
good advice
Good advice, the experts you have mentioned are likely the best place to start incidentally they are the same ones I mentioned excepting one. This is a hard subject to understand as you say and it is not as if this is easy to grasp, I think that many things about the results are easier felt and that is the problem with the use of words. As is often said this is something that transcends all forms of thought and that includes words as well.
THE FOUR FUNCTIONS OF MYTH
April, I did not want this to become whatever it is. I do not want to come off as a know it all and this is not a debate; it is an answer to a question. You can be assured I have what is best for you at heart but it is not possible for me to talk about myth as if I do not have understanding about it because I do. If I were to say perhaps about something important that indicates I am not sure about it when I am and then it becomes false. If you want to have an understanding about what myths do you can get that, but without knowing the purpose of myth you will not understand what is happening. You can get some meaning about of Eros and Psyche but perhaps not the best that myth has to offer. Myths are meant for anyone and if someone is open to them they will get something. On the other hand there is something grand that myth has to offer and to get that nowadays you have to understand what it is to look for because myths are meant to have events to support them, rituals of harvest and cultural rituals. Here in Thailand they have such rituals and believe me they have a real function. As you don’t have the ritual to know what myths do, you can make your own ritual about the myths incorporating them into your life. I am not sure what a ritual about Eros the god of sexual love would be about but I shudder to think about it. I have personal rituals that involve helping Mother Nature, I do not think she is a person mind you but I know what she is, she is from where we came and I support her as a female metaphor for birth and sustenance. This is me using myth to achieve a positive result for the earth and all living things for that is what I am, all living things. Mythology has provided for me a purpose, to serve all life, including my own. The journey begins with a thirst for meaning in one’s life, and is blessed with understanding of the ways of the earth and yourself and the curse is people will not believe you even when know your heart you know the way of the earth. THE WAY OF THE EARTH You came out of the primordial earth; the sky is bellowing within you, a river is flowing inside you, lightning flashing through the landscape of your brain. You are not this separate individual your ego tells you that you are. Your mind is of your heart and your heart is of your soul and you are all people, places and things. Happiness, contentment and love is already there for you, all you have to do is give unto it. Give and take unto the earth and you will prosper for you are giving and taking unto yourself. The four functions of myth; the basic function is to open the world to the dimension of mystery. Next there is seeing the cosmological aspect of myth the mystery manifest in all things. Then there is the sociological aspect of myth, validating and maintaining a society. Finally there is the pedagogical function how to live a life under any circumstances, to put the mind in accord with the body and create a lifestyle in accordance with nature.
we are good now.
And sometimes that aggression isn’t aggression it is just frustration about trying to get a point across that one has been trying to make hundreds of times on this site to no avail…
slow to comprehend
The frustration here is quite different; it is knowing the solution to save the world, this is the root problem in the human psyche, the inability to see the errors of their ways and transcend them, to understand what is outside of their huge egos and that is everything. The frustrating thing about this is people need to get in touch with their selves and realize they are the world they are killing, tic toc...
The rejection of my views?
These are not my views they came from the unconscious mind and myth was invented as a tool, now it has been rediscovered and critically analyzed notably by Carl Jung and others. The door of the unconscious mind has been opened a crack and what is glimpsed is enlightenment. Myth is a key to unlock the unconscious mind and cure the psyche. There were also other ways to do this, religion for instance as the word Psyche means soul. Jesus, Buddha and even Carl Jung were doctors of the Psyche, they were enlightened. The reason we are in this mess, this doomsday scenario is that we have a sickness of the mind or the soul. As I see it there are three ways out if this mess, if religions would get their act together this could possibly solve the sickness but I see that isn’t about to happen, but the personal quest for god and personal spiritualism is still there, so this is possible but not likely. The second possible solution would be Myth, but bringing Myth into one’s life is a difficult task with many roadblocks, you see one has to want to live their dream and then do it and the odd thing about this is people don’t do what will actually benefit themselves. Instead they choose to do what society tells them to, they conform to the structure of society. Myth is closely linked to enlightenment and is a way to it; the realization that we are everything is an enlightened concept. People reject enlightenment they want illusion, the illusion that everything is all right and the world will go on no matter how many species and natural processes of nature we kill, for instance. The world does not run on an enlightened frame of mind it runs on shared illusions. The last would be a scientific or medical solution. The appearance of doctors who can actually treat the Psyche and heal the patient so that is right out, we know so little about the psyche there is no one who can really heal the mass mental illness that plagues the world. So this is about the continuation of the planet and all the lifeforms on it and to see if man will achieve enlightenment and become a truly great species or a pitiful ignorant one that causes the demise of the world. I am thinking the latter will transpire, and if it does who is guilty and what is the penalty? If we are immortal, if there in a heaven or a hell, or reincarnation, what is the punishment for killing a world? You don’t have to be Jimmie the Greek to set the odds for the destruction of the world, there are few betting we will survive. The smart money is with destruction. It follows that given mans track record of always doing what serves him in the short term will prevail and there will be no long term. I do not mean to insult you but I do reserve the right to insult others, if they deserve it. I am not a savior; I am just a minor hero on a major quest, alone and without support. Words are my lance and heart my saving grace. If you choose we can work towards a solution and perhaps you and I will not be guilty of the holocaust. So tic toc and by the doomsday clock it is five minutes to midnight.
For Mr.C
The potency of words is often underestimated, and the best teacher I ever had was often baiting me, forcing me to become a better person. He was harsh, critical and unyielding at times. He taught me how to teach myself, and gave me a pole not a fish. He was a high school shop teacher. The first day of school he waved a broom in front of the class and said see this, this is an idiot stick, any idiot can use it, he had a message. I a strong young boy then quickly punched him in the face and walked out; you see my father was a janitor. He didn’t expel me but made me his special student, my good fortune. The moral here is that nicy nice doesn’t always do the job and the best friendships, teachers and students are often made by circumstance. I have a goal, I am not here to chat, and I’ve got this idiot stick here that any idiot can use and if you want to learn punch me in the face.
I love you too
If you are my only reader what does that say for you? nice punch on you though for a girl...Perhaps its time to leave again untill more victms arrive...
doc
Hey doc, April may be right; people may not want my input. Anyhow tic tock, why does it matter it is not as if anyone here is interested in saving the world...
Dear metaphor
Dear metaphor for what transcends all forms of thought I hope I am wrong, but I feel the effects of dying. Actually I don’t need them to agree with me, I just want them to do something. Fix the world with religion, mythology, science, politics or whatever but do something fast. Speak up and take a chance that government won’t shoot you in the streets, get some courage before it is too late….
serrious?
Capistrano, but really they are hiding in the trees huddling to keep warm or safe when it rains hard.
i consider
How about the life span od the universe Big Bang then whatever... But i think he meant have we killed the world yet anf as he has asked the question not hasty?well we should consider...
old theiry
The newer theory states that the universe will continue expanding, string theory...
money
What percent of the money the US spends on war would feed all the starving? It is easy to see what is important isn’t it and who are the heroes and villains. More and more lately this is becoming evident...
a nice fantasy life
Well this is a nice fantasy life, likely no one can be proud of EVERY thought. I don’t know what to say about loving yourself and returning love to a select small group of people, whom presumably love you in return, seems self serving. Evidently this sort of a person cares a lot about their self and their ego allows only an elite group to receive their love. I don’t want any part of this kind of happiness, I am a truly happy person because I don’t place that high of a value on myself, or restrict my love to a few select group of people. I love everyone who understands love and I feel compassion for those who don’t. You see the more you give the happier you are because love and happiness is more about giving than receiving. I am sorry I don’t agree but I see why others would, it touches the oh, Ah buttons that people like because it makes them feel all warm and cozy inside like the self help books do, but this is an illusion.
tolerance
Perhaps this poster meant persecuted I am trying not to scare people away and still make my point. Iets discuss amicably and be friends. Remember give me your poor etc. Immigrants was what made that country great, and not what is ruining it...
It can convert energy
Electromagnetism is used to create electricity or use it. As a coil rotates inside another coil (a field coil) and electricity is produced or used. This is a generator or a motor; it generates electricity or uses electricity to turn a shaft, a motor. To use it as an electric generator you need some other kind of energy to turn the shaft, like water or wind. Both electricity and magnetism are energies, when you cause then to interact in certain ways their energy can be utilized.
robots are here now
Robots are building cars as we speak and doing other things we used to pay people to do. They are affecting the future now. If we could make one to protect nature that would be just dandy. How about that a robotic police force to save the world, probably not profitable so it is likely they will be used to help kill the planet…
Who's your daddy
This is a situation of competition for the father’s affection between children. The same applies as with father child relations but the children have already developed big egos; the ego of a child is often huge because the world for them is all about their self. They have not learned to be compassionate concerning others. Here the father should understand this and treat children equally but often they do actually love one child more. Fathers often like the child most like them, and this is the ego of the father rearing its ugly head. The father should understand and counteract this so a particular child doesn’t end up like Tommy Smothers. Here is where the mother comes in to console the child and lie to them saying that father doesn’t really love the other child more and then the child will become a mother’s child and love the mother more than the father. In a loving family everybody gets love in large amounts and there is enough love to go around and everyone will be well centered loving persons but this often is not the case and as always lots of love is the key.
Capitalistic moral mistakes
Some would consider it a mistake to take advantage of someone and sell an item for a 700 percent profit, they may see it as a moral issue, a mistake.But the seller will continue this "mistake" for the love of money and the hell with the other guy...
you are right doc
Well doc, i see nothing wrong with what you wrote and thought you would agree.The problem is no one wants to hear...
Oh goodie, back to this, thanks Doc.
What is real is the natural world, what is unreal (false) is the world of man. The world of man operates on what individuals or like individuals consider what is true or false. For instance, one cannot say that Jesus is the only true savior because Buddha was a savior that was true for so many others. So can both be true saviors? People may say yes, no, perhaps but which of the three is true, this is subjectivity, the state of what is true to the perceiver. The illusions of man are blatantly evident and the proof is in the way they live their lives and that way is contrary to what is really in their best interest, love peace and compassion, not violence avarice and war. I am making such a fuss over the natural world because it is the only true reality, the only reality one can count on. This is the truth of truths but do we truly perceive it? We have a need for a good set of reality glasses that will allow us to understand what nature is. It is mother but we the dim witted children that we are see mother as an it, an object, not as the place of our origin. Furthermore our body is part of nature it is real; there is no difference between nature and our body. But our mind (not our brain) sees a difference, it sees mother as a substance to exploit, and we all know what exploitation is, it is manipulation. We manipulate mother to excess, so much so that we are killing her and consequentially ourselves. Spiritual growth is not turning away from the world it is realizing that we are one with it, we are it, this is the true corporal connection for us. I think therefore I am is nonsense, the world is therefore am I is the real truth beyond rational thought. I care not for beliefs they do nothing and are of no use, they are riddled with illusions, falsity and error. For myself I know the reality of my mom, she needs no belief, illusion or rationale, she is I therefore I am.
Right but...
Doc, you are the only person here who agrees with me, others won’t even comment, and I wish they would regardless if they agree or not, I don’t need agreement. If we kick around our perceptions we have a discussion and if it turns out we do agree that is just fine with me. We arent so different after all and I like thie but if we ageree there is not a good post...
why not?
Well, why not? The only stumbling block is that either you are talking about a mythological story and that is frequently done already or a moralistic tale and that is considered boring for most readers. The tendency is toward myth even if people don’t realize that what they are reading is based on myth the hero tale is the basis for most stories at least in part. We are so far from the original thread I am not sure what you mean exactly. I write fictional mythological stories; one is called THE CAVE OF DREAMS it starts off on the primitive man era and jumps to present times, perhaps that is what you mean. However I don’t really believe that my stories will get published knowing the sad state of the publishing business nowadays. There are stories everywhere and I am sure lots of them are good and they stay in someone’s computer never to see the desk of a publisher…
self comment
It is wisdom that makes us stop form wanting everything because these trinkets do not possess what it takes to make us happy.
politic
So Aprils a Democrat Doc is a Republican and Me I refuse to be called anything...
hello planet earth?
Pardon me but are you a human on planet earth? The reason I ask is i dont see people doing what you describe but I wish they would.
Eyes wide shut.
Just joking about eyes wide shut, surely not you. Actually I have come to realize albeit slowly and often with contradictory circumstances that you and I agree where it counts. I do argue over meanings as I am a philosopher. I consider the variables to arrive at the truth and nearly always the truth is not the ways of man but the ways of the natural world minus mans misperceptions (illusions). Philosophy can be called an internal debate within the mind of an individual. There is the true reality of the natural world and philosophy can be used as a mental tool to examine, discern and understand the ways of nature, this is a thought process. What you learn from this is wisdom; wisdom about true reality, nature’s reality not mans manufactured reality. The goal is not delusion corruption or manipulation it is the understanding of the ways of the natural world. I have always felt the truth of nature but I had to strive to understand it, it is comprehensible. I saw it with my heart and now I realize that to communicate it to others with the aim of saving the planet I need knowledge and more importantly wisdom to convince others that there is a problem. The problem is the misperceptions of man; he has a sickness of the soul (psyche). He thinks that he owns the world, but he is the self important ego driven species that is killing the natural world, the true reality. So I am honored to be in the company of father Quixote the hero, but the monsters are real and they are us.
thanks for your reply
Yes, but foolish is a normal condition, let’s not be harsh everyone is foolish as wisdom is learned through life experiences. I first came into contact with this concept over forty years ago through the study of Buddhism, I now live in a Buddhist country, not really a coincidence; I prefer to be around Buddhists. The purpose of Buddhism is to show people how to lead a happy fulfilling life; the enlightened one figured it out. What causes one to suffer according to him is an unwholesome condition and that is the desire (wants) of unwholesome things or putting too much value on excessive amounts money and material objects. This is saying that the simple life attuned to nature and enough possessions to get comfortably by and a loving family will make you content. The other thing to conquer is fear and fear is really neurosis, constantly worrying about everything. I often consider that the Buddha was a psychologist, he saw the sickness of the soul/psyche and found the logical solution of mental illness. When you conquer these two things you are free, free from fear and from being possessed by unwholesome desires. This is the wisdom of Buddhism and there are lots of other forms of wisdom as well, it is up to the individual to discover wisdom. I feel that following is not for me so my path is to learn and wisdom is a good thing to gather, Buddha was one of my teachers. I hope this post was good for you it is not my wisdom I just learned it and accepted it as true. Please consider it and don’t give up the search for wisdom wherever you can find it. You will know it when you encounter it for it has a sound; it rings out truth that can be heard with the heart. Some will say there is no such thing as wisdom but they are wrong there is lots of it and wisdom naturally holds the key to save us all and the dying planet. Thanks for the opportunity, Sean
trying to be funny, please try harder
So you think I am trying to brainwash people? Their brains must be dirty according to you. I am trying to HELP not only the planet but people as well. Hey I appreciate any help from you but the fact that you think listing to what I say is ranting and not constructive kind of says that you don’t really care. Even if you don’t have altruistic love for this wonderful planet and all the varied species on it what about the love of your grandkids and their progeny, they deserve more than a clean room; they deserve a clean functioning planet, for without this planet they will not be alive. Perhaps you were trying to be funny if so please try harder and about something not so dire.
trying to be funny, please try harder
So you think I am trying to brainwash people? Their brains must be dirty according to you. I am trying to HELP not only the planet but people as well. Hey I appreciate any help from you but the fact that you think listing to what I say is ranting and not constructive kind of says that you don’t really care. Even if you don’t have altruistic love for this wonderful planet and all the varied species on it what about the love of your grandkids and their progeny, they deserve more than a clean room; they deserve a clean functioning planet, for without this planet they will not be alive. Perhaps you were trying to be funny if so please try harder and about something not so dire.
You are very right
I love that saying. And you are on the right path, keep walking ,you are nearly there and the further journy through your life woll be glorious.
what is real?
Try as I might I don’t see what reality you can see in a shadow that doesn’t exist in the object that is blocking the light. I do recall something in Carlos Castaneda’s book Don Juan about twilight images but that was so esoteric and dealing with sorcery and that hardly deals with anything close to what is referred to as any normal reality that I hesitate to mention it, but I did anyhow. Been eating mushrooms my dear?
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honesty is akin to truth
Yo, apparently are speaking your opinion but don’t you think that honesty is the truth…
Ode to marylin
Many women would absolutely love to be looked at as sex symbols. And what is wrong with a dog, all my dogs are female it seems you have an anti dog bias. I hope dogs don’t start complaining there could be a bite for freedom movement.
faith ba humbug
Faith is a crutch when you possess two strong legs. Faith is for the mentally handicapped, those who don’t believe in themselves. Those who risk their life’s true value following the path of another will receive a wasted life void of meaning and worth. All who have become wise in the end realize that no one else can show you your way. You can learn from others but faith in anyone is a hindrance, anyone in the end can betray you, your spouse, children, anyone, even a concept of God. Faith in others will surely bring your progress to a screeching halt and lock your axle in a ditch, ask any lemming about faith. I don’t care for hope either, to hope is to have faith that things will somehow turn out well without working for it, if you don’t work for it you don’t deserve it. Faith is to hope that someone else knows what is best for you and they don’t know your life’s purpose, for you haven’t finished building it yet because you are still alive.
not again
That doc hasn’t re answered this old question is understandable, and my answer will be short. The problem inst not enough food it is too many people, put a cork between your legs and eat the quantity of food that the earth can provide, the earth’s resources are finite.
jungle
At times I leave the restraints of society and the internet. I have been doing well and hope you are too. I dont plan to post that often but this is the time of year that I can. See you between the lines. Sean
hey
Not sure if answering your own questions is proper but it is genius, but what do you need us for?
helpyouneedsomebody
Let me help you your question is? How can any human being believe that he has the right to judge another resulting in a death sentence and call that justice?
muscular pain
I believe the no pain no gain has to do with bodybuilding, if you just do a few repetitions and don’t get tired or feel some muscular pain you aren’t doing enough exercise to bring your muscles to the straining point where they start building more muscle tissue, I am pretty sure if this.
dear anti hero
So according to you we should let the villains take over the world and subjugate the masses totally enslaving them, wait you have already let them do that, nevermind.
rotting teeth
Well, I have thought about this, perhaps the tooth is so bad it is rotten and it is probably in the upper region and caused an infection resulting in a loss of cognitive abilities.
rotten teeth
Well, I have thought about this, perhaps the tooth is so bad it is rotten and it is probably in the upper region and caused an infection resulting in a loss of cognitive abilities.
old and young alike
When I was young I listened and that seems what old people want kids to do. But now I am old I seem to want to listen to kids. Probably this is a case of talking to the right people. I suggest to find someone who knows the art of listening...
Ah subjectivity
Ah someone else who acknowledges subjectivity, yes we agree man invented evil and the idea of what is good for him. I am not a follower but the Hindus but they have said to God all is good.
Superkid?
There is no age limit for change and it is nearly always the young who force people to leave behind old outdated and destructive ideas and such. Students have the time they aren’t bogged down by the responsibilities of raising a family and can fight for good; hey they perhaps they are the Hero’s!
on trancendance
I was so moved by this post and you are right it does have to start with the individual. But this is a slow process; can the world wait for us all to transcend the idea of war? Gandhi fought with peaceful means as is The Dali Lama fighting now they were and are fighting for peace, the end of subjugation. If some of us have transcended it is our job to fight using the weapons of love and spread the results of it and be the hero. Sorry but I have found no evolutionary basis for transcending evil, evil was invented by man, there is no evil in nature. To transcend evil one has to transcend the evils in the psyche of man, that is where evil exits, see Carl Jung. I do not oppose your post I am discoursing on the subject, thanks.
re: confused
I beg to differ Doc, if it were a question wouldn’t it read: After a war, can being victorious make you feel "good" about it? But there is a question mark, I guess I was confused by the phrasing of the question…
One of my better rants.
I can’t get into this too deeply just now but there is the case of the ever expanding form in Hinduism. The Gods were all sitting around congratulating themselves when they saw this power greater than their own and it was ever expansive, without end. To make this story short it was representative of a greater power, even greater than that of Vishnu who put forth the universe. Vishnu is the male power and it is within his power to initiate the universe but it is the power of the Goddess that is ever omnipotent, she brings forth the universe from the seed of Vishnu. The universe is made by her and Vishnu is but a sire. Many forget the significance of a female God but not me. In their view the universe was born from the cosmic vagina of a Goddess. One does not have to believe in an actual God or Goddess mating and giving birth to the universe, this is symbolism and myth. If one could fly up into space at the time of the conception of the universe they would not see a God and a Goddess copulating. They would see that what is symbolic from the perspective of human experience of male and female reproduction. The birth of the universe is not produced by genital intercourse it is something beyond the human experience, so we need to use the metaphor of human birth, but I digress I just wanted to show respect for the God called woman. Anyhow my point is God is a symbol for something beyond human experience, something he doesn’t and can’t understand. So to place blame on a concept of god and having no knowledge of his or her function doesn’t fly. God is not a he or a she and is certainly not a grey haired man in the clouds looking down and helping us out or condemning us to an everlasting eternity of fire and brimstone. That is a religious concept of God that is from man, it is theology, ethics and so forth. I would say the above post is right and I would carry it further and say that God is everything, animal, vegetable, mineral, microbial and elemental.
Not what I have heard
I read that gay kids are committing suicide because of bashing, how is that being accepting of others? Driving others to their death would seem to be somewhat less that tolerant.
misunderstood snake
I for one am tolerant of rattlesnakes because I was raised around them. Their rattle is a warning, they are actually do not want to bite you but that doesn’t mean one should poke a stick at one. All my relatives killed rattlers but not me I liked them. The rattlesnake taught me something that I now pass along, don’t rattle when confronted just strike.
I’d like to change the world but…
I find this more than a bit naïve; peace is not about the individual. There are three types of people, those who manipulate and those who get manipulated. The manipulators fight that’s their nature, they rule the world. The manipulated, well they wine and do mostly nothing but talk to death the idea of transcending evil but they don’t take into consideration the manipulators who are the evil, they will not easily give up and let peace reign. And now enters the third kind of people the hero’s, their lives shine with the power of a million suns. They are of high ideals and stand up against evil, tyranny and social injustice. They are the likes of Lincoln, Kennedy and Martin Luther King, get my point yet? A lone hero with no one behind him gets killed, but many heroes’s working together for peace would change the world.
I hope I am not labeling myself
Thanks for your response, I invite you to ask this as a question, you asked it as a comment. If you ask it as a question more will see it. I am interested in your positive outlook, you miss peace, I have never known peace. Perhaps you mean relative peace. With all the war, tyranny and oppression today why do you think peace is in sight? However I will join your hand and submit that where there is love there is peace, perhaps love is the missing ingredient that brings peace. Perhaps the face of peace is love. I am a writer, my contribution can be an article for your site, tell me what kind of article you want and I will write it. What about those hateful oppressors, what do we do about them? I doubt they will join in and they are a problem…. Love, Thai Sean
Tolerance
No one but you reads all the posts, I didn’t find the post too insensitive, and perhaps we should be more tolerant. Perhaps we scare people away and the site is stalling, it needs new blood. I said WE, I scared someone away recently...
discourse for ourselves?
What everyone seems to be missing here is that the poster asked one question made a comment and is gone. Therefore we are writing a discourse for ourselves to opinionate and put forth opinion that perhaps serves our own agendas. Mostly the posts are positive but it’s beginning to not serve the needs of future readers, should they be abused. I submit that we all are abused in different ways and the response to abuse is personally taking charge of your life and stopping the abuse and how you do that is ask for help. This person is gone but others will come, if this thread is to continue in its prominence I respectfully ask for others to assist the future readers and not argue amongst ourselves, discourse rather than dissent. Love Sean
Well perhaps you are easily disgusted.
Well perhaps you are easily disgusted. Why shouldn’t anything be discussed? This is how we solve things, or is it? In my family there are things my wife does better and things I do better. For instance I don’t have breasts, at least not big ones with milk in them. And my wife has no penis, at least one with sperm in it, hard to make babies without sperm, disgusted yet? Men and women are different, perhaps you have noticed, perhaps not. Doing some things either can be better suited for, that doesn’t mean they can’t do them. That is what sperm banks and bottled milk is for…
lucky you its not doc answering
Well I don’t see your humor but you are a boat rocker aren’t you, I do like that. It’s the boat rockers that get things done; wonder what you are going to do? However, lately or perhaps well not so lately freedom and democracy have been lacking in the West. Also there are few church going Christians as well. John Calvin did say that pursuit of wealth and the pursuit of property is a Christian duty so I’ll give you that. The Democratic values you refer to are hardly followed at this time, they lie smoldering in the trash dump where we put them, so how can you blame democracy? We are supposed to be the rockers of the boat, the watchdogs of democracy, blame me, others and maybe even yourself, but blaming democracy just does not fly. I like your Matrix metaphor of a virus, however I must add that in the movie it was stated that man was the corrupting virus, better match. Greed has always reigned worldwide; it’s just that the West is very skillful at it, for now. If the world survives the metaphor of America as the corporation that rules the world will go away, just as the Soviet Union imploded. The story of imperium is a matter of record, the government that fosters inequity over justice is destined for dissolution. All empires that have risen are subject to fall, it’s as simple as that. When Rome was burning no one saw the flames, sometimes I do smell something smoldering though. I speak three Asian languages, can’t hurt….
to dictate is to subjucate
Thanks for the differing opinion I like that for without that discussion less interesting. I have found that dictators are interested in enriching their selves and their cronies. I state this from experience. Here in Thailand we had a dictator Taskin Shinawantra, It took a coup to depose him and there were others in my lifetime. He stole money granted government contracts illegally, put laundered money in his friend’s accounts, his wife’s accounts and even his maids. He was a corrupt egoistic person who cared only for his self and his supporters. If Hitler had a conscience he would have felt bad about the genocide he ordered but he did not, nor was he interested in creating a utopia, he was interested in ruling the world and subjugating it. Fascism is an oppressive tyrannical regime, how is that good in theory? While I am at it have you noticed that in America no matter who gets elected nothing changes? There are still the same inequities and injustice that has been going on and on and on. A dictator is considered a single man but a dictatorial regime is a group of dictators that rule unjustly. Who are these men behind the scene, the dictators of America?
doc
just wanred to say thanks for understanding and conforming my post, you really comented with insitefull thoughts here.
rage
The man beats his wife, the wife beats the kids the kids beat the dog, well the dog bites the cat, the cat bites the mouse and well the poor mouse is shit out of luck. Violence is stems from inner rage, even a baby has it. The archetypical image of rage is the screaming horrific face often drawn in paintings, I am sure you have the picture of rage in your head as it is an archetype we are familiar with. Jung said that this rage that surfaces at times often does so for no apparent reason although something may set it off. His hypothesis was that it surfaces because of some unresolved conflict in the psyche and is manifest in dreams. There is something that a person has not come to terms with. The dream is an attempt of the unconscious mind to let the person know of this unresolved conflict and it uses a dramatic symbolic dream to confront the person. If the person can figure out through understanding the dream he can come to realize what it is that is causing the rage. When the person confronts the problem it is not any longer a terrifying nightmare, the dream changes as is no longer necessary to frighten the individual because the attention is focused on the problem and what was frightening becomes less so and it is easier to see what was causing the rage. When it becomes understood it can be confronted and the rage ends, it is no longer necessary to be overcome by rage as you have confronted it and vanquished it. Everyone has felt this rage to some degree, we all have our unresolved issues and if they are not confronted they will fester until rage erupts like a fiery volcano. See the Marie von Franz video on you tube.
I have an Aunt Hazel
Oh, I really like subjectivity, and yes it is surely relative. There is the psychopath though, these are people who kill, steal, and do heinous crimes. Their defining characteristic is no remorse; their psyche has something terribly wrong with it. I have had the unfortunate opportunity to live under a dictatorship and a dictator believes he is good no matter what he is eventually convicted if doing, he believes he has always done the right thing even when the body count says otherwise. The healthy psyche is balanced with appropriate amounts of self concern and concern for others, and swings somewhere in-between. This is the amount of love one reserves for yourself and the altruistic oriented part of the ego. But in the end a conscience is dependent on how much we care about other people, other species and the environment, and this brings me to my point. How much conscience can we have given that we are killing the world and continue on like it isn’t happening…
With love faith in not needed
Jesus, Allah and the Buddha preached the same thing and incidentally so do all savior archetypes. There are no differences between them; they by definition are one and the same. Their message that would have saved us all from ourselves is Love, fyi almost no one got the message. If they were sitting up there on a cloud somewhere they would surely look down at us and wonder why we haven’t gotten such a simple message yet…
Stargirl
We all start out naive, and it is not you, because you know that it is the madness of humanity, make a difference. I see you have the power of the hero. Be the hero of your life and that will influence others to stand for righ as well. By doing so you will harness the power of the universe and you will shine like a million suns. Well a bit hokey yes, but what I am saying is harness the power inherent in nature and you will do great things, I am sure of it.
raining on parades
I am not convinced this is open discussion. It is people asking questions and others offering opinions and comments that usually differ. We would have to come to a common consensus and that rarely happens. Provided it did happen we would have to do something and that has never happened here. I find this site very ineffectual including my own contributions. Please prove me wrong, I would like to be wrong about this…
sure sounde good
OK, Why dont you pick a subject and get things rolling. People can dicuss what they think about whatever.
wellcome
Hello, Mcfinagain, welcome to the site, Irish I take it, same here. I prefer the definition from Ayn Rand and it is as follows; The political expression of altruism is collectivism or statism, which holds that man’s life and work belong to the state, to society, to the group, the gang, the race, the nation and that the state may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good. See http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/statism.html. On the fly I came up with the first thing that came to mind when thinking about America and came up with Capitalistic Statism. This would be when the government forms inseparable ties to commerce (the corporate world) to usurp the liberties of the populace by economic means making them little more than consumer slaves, condemned to a banal existence without meaning rest or reprieve and subjected to heavy taxation, soaring costs of living and lifelong servitude. This is an expression of altruism, not pursuant to kindness or compassion but a perverted form of it used for subjugation and tyranny over the populace. Sorry for the depressing welcome Finn…
right Finn
Yes old TS, He described people leading lives void of meaning and purpose, living for meaningless lives estranged from nature and the purpose of myth is to connect you to nature.
Empathic civilization
Both good ideas, what I perceive you are talking about is communication with intent to help. This is caring with constructive intent, love that. So I am offering two videos one short and one long from Jeremy Rifkin. See the short one first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g&feature=channel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-7BjeHepbA
Done quibling yet? Re:Rifkin
What Rifkin is saying is that we are on the brink of another industrial revolution. It is this that can save us from the negative results of past industrial revolutions. The first industrial revolution was started with steam and facilitated by the printing press; the second started with oil and was facilitated by the modern communication utilities. And now the third industrial revolution is sustainable energy, to be facilitated by the internet and other technologies can that send information at the speed of light to anywhere in the planet. Industrial revolutions spread fast once implemented, an economy boom is the result and we will ride this boom to a sustainable future. As the printing press guided the first revolution the internet will guide this one, and it is up to those who use it to facilitate this. The question looms is can we implement this before it is too late. Europe will take the lead here, they believe in this American Rifkin and the governments there are supporting and implementing his strategic formulas. The Americans are clinging on to what is paramount to them, and that is their outdated investments. We built an entire civilization on the energy of oil, and we will soon run out, it is only a matter of time before everyone realizes this. There is panic in government to secure the availability of oil; they are implementing drastic short term solutions. We at this time have the replacements for oil but we refuse to implement this because of the perceived economic ramifications, economic meltdown because our livelihoods depend on oil. There will be a point historians will name where we took the leap, just as we took the leap from steam to oil, we need to take this leap now. The solution to governmental, economical and environmental problems is at hand, all it takes is for us to build it, build a sustainable future. The technology has already started in the sustainable energy field, it is up to us to network and help the third industrial revolution take off. It all hangs on empathy, which is the accepted scientific word for caring and compassion. There are a lot of people who hate this Rifkin person as he represents the end of dependency on oil. The enemy is the old industrial establishment, the same people who have been controlling our government polluting the world and refusing to change. It is they who will be swept away by the wave of change that is the new revolution towards a sustainable life for us, other species and the planet, and it’s about time. Time to wring out the old and ring in the new.
he is a hero/savior archetype
He referred to empathy the way you do, that is what he is talking about. Working together to save the world, because if we don’t we are goners. He is going to try his best to show us a way save ourselves; he is a hero/ savior archetype. Doc really now, why do you nearly always dissect everything and try to find fault? This guy’s got a viable plan to save us from ourselves and you want to find what is wrong with his ideas? Please just give him a chance; he is a very smart guy, way smarter than you or I. It will take all the science we can muster to change from oil dependency to sustainable energy, and this guy is structuring the economic plan to pull it off, and he will in Europe, then everyone will see what he is made of. Get off his back he is my favorite hero of late… empathy n syn SYMPATHY 2, compassion, fellow feeling rel accord, affinity, communion, compatibility, concord, congeniality, fellow feeling, rapport, responsiveness, warmth; appreciation, comprehension, understanding
Me fickle, suck a pickle doc.
Like any hero savior archetype he needs others to help, I will help and you won’t. You say you are looking for errors and analyzing when actually you are acting out of an emotional attitude. For instance you thought you found an error in my post defining oxymoron’s and let me have it. However you were wrong and the dictionary was right. The only reason you attacked the definition is you thought it was mine. Perhaps I should have stated that the definition was from a dictionary and you would not have tried to discredit it. You are not looking for constructive errors you are looking to discredit people who are doing something constructive. Take Finn for example, he was willing to help and actually do something concerning Rifkin’s ideas and you chased him away from the site. Don’t get me wrong you have a function here; it just isn’t what you think it is.
hello Doc
Fortunately I never get lonely, when I go into the jungle which is not my farm, I go on my boats. I have built a houseboat and a sailboat. There I am at peace and one with nature. It is there that I am truly whole, not on this mission to save the planet from those who don’t care enough to join in. In case you don’t realize it no one but you, before there was April and now this Finn even responds to my posts. I am never mad at you and I enjoy the joust, sorry if I get a little rough at times. But I am not here to play, I do have a mission. I am sorry if I offended you as you are my only friend on this site, if I may call you that; here is the place that as you say I am truly alone. But I have a full life, I am following my vision quest, my dreams that are here in Thailand; it’s just that I cannot sit idly by and act as if we are not killing the planet like others do. I am a son of nature and know her plight and I don’t want any fawning on me I want people to fawn on Mother Nature and heal the wounds that we have inflicted upon her. It is for her that I am so guarded on what you call my opinion, it isn’t really my opinion that drives me it is her, she is enlisting my help and I am enlisting you all, this is my quest. Soon will be the time to retreat once again so people here won’t have to be burdened by my mission, but I will likely be back to check once more on the state of the hopefully more concerned future posters. But now I have a boom to set on my mast, a bit of welding to do so I will bid you ə'du…
well, yes
Sounds reasonable to me, their potential is in their psyche. That is the way myth works, one delves into it and dredges out an insight that talks to others through art. Good post!
doc
Good to see you too, glad you have other interests and family fun. The site is moving along, good question about love today, can’t beat that oldie. Lurking eh, your two cents are appreciated with inflation they are probably up to a quarter by now...
witchcraft
Are you saying that witchcraft is true because it hasn’t been proven false? If that is true where can I buy my Nimbus 2000?
hey dude
There are theirteen speelling errors that I noticse here, get a diktionary. I make some errors and that is nirmal but thirteen in a short post, who will take you serriousley?
sorry Gorilla Groove
I am sorry, I was inconsiderate, English is probably a second language to you. I couldn’t write in your language at all. My mistake, please accept my apologies. I take it you are not a color but a New Age Psychic, interesting. Whatever the case people will have a harder time understanding what you are saying as you live by a different way not bound to the schooling system. For those of us who use the language it will be a arduous task to understand you. For example I have no idea what a Gudge is. However if you explain I will try to understand. It seems to me though if you want people to understand you could spend some time helping us to do so. For instance I am now writing in MS word, it helps me to correct errors so people can understand what I am writing better. I do this because I want to make it easier to read and understand. Grammar is an aid to communication and it assists us to understand the knowledge and wisdom of others. I think if you are patient you can improve your English skills, there are websites that can help you and then we can communicate in a more understandable way. Let’s be friends.
Excuse me
Excuse me but this doesn’t make sense. The concept of god is an entity already above man. In order for a god to transcend he would have to be below man and earthly beings.
Let me teach you
Well a teacher shouldn’t use teaching and pedagogy together, they mean the same thing. That is saying teaching teaching. Also teaching teachers is poor sentence structure. Learning their opinions isn’t well considered either, here let me help you. As a teacher I know that past pedagogy has not been very good at instructing teachers to illicit more opinion based questions to be posed in the classroom. We need to evolve into a society that will take the time to develop their own opinions and not just emulate what others think.
well
You are falling into the rut of thinking that evolving is always a good thing, there is the case of evolving right out of existence…
unprogram-me
Well we all aren’t programmed from their unconscious. If you are receiving commands from there you have a mental problem. So you are saying that the dna structure in our bodies is daily rewriting some software code and I am by reading this am programming myself by forming an opinion about what I know about this post. Riggghhhtttt. Also spach Jung.
what I was saying
I was that I dont understand what you are saying, it seems you are far away from the science.
yes
Assuredly it does, search mirror neurons. Even other mammals than us have empathy. The problem isn’t about feeling empathy it is about what these things are ALLWAYS about and that is doing.
moi not wise Indignez-vous!
I was answering the question; because you criticized the wisdom of my post I shall critique your response. The term Guy and Girl are colloquial terms usually referring to the young, old people are normally referred to as a man and woman. Hormones are more prevalent in the young and often raging, this is the logic to my suspicions. “Mature teenager” is an oxymoron and hot is always hot, it would be very difficult to make hot subjective, relative perhaps but never subjective. A guy can be friends with a girl but if she is hot and he is straight how could he not notice and be stimulated unless he is either sexually repressed or a sexual in which case this would be a condition on the periphery of the short question and does not need addressing. Brothers and sisters are not what is referred to that is another matter altogether. What a stretch to name an author that I can not see is pertinent to this simple question, perhaps if you referred to a psychologist it would be relevant.
excuse moi
Sorry Fonzo, I wrongly perceived your post was a response to mine. I apologize. Since doc has become a friend and is hardly present anymore there is a have a lack of antagonism on this site that I surely miss. If you like to spar I offer a warm invite, I find it helps the writing …
I did not make myself clear
I did not make myself clear, evolving right out of existence is not necessarily a condition of the lack of procreation but it is a condition of overpopulation as well, it works both ways. Too few children might lead to the end of the race but too many is a bigger problem that exists right now. I surmise we can agree that we are mass consuming the world’s resources and in this manner we may soon evolve right out of existence along with the rest of the world and this would be our fault for not limiting the population. I chose to limit my family to two children but that was a long time ago but I perceived the problem of over population. You it appears perceive this is now a bigger problem and you are acting in an appropriate manner, thank you.
Hey Finn,
Well, I have been working and living in a boat with no internet. I am ashore now for longer periods and taking it easy here in Thailand. And yes, I do care about America and her people except the ruling class. The real reason have not been around when I am ashore is I don’t want to dominate the site. As much as I like to respond to questions I am sure most people see me as a “know it all” and won’t respond to my posts. Although I have spent my life learning and like answering I would like to listen and contribute and learn about the ideas of others. That is where this site can do something. So don’t expect me to stay, I don’t enjoy seeing Thai Sean on every post…..
sorry again
perhaps you did not see the post where I apologised so I will do it again, I am sorry
empathitic animans including humans
I don’t fully understand why you should ask a question and then attack the person who answers but I will sincerely try to explain that I was answering your question would you consider watching this video that is about empathy about animals that I was referring to in that post and get back to me. I am interested what you think about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g
insurance value
There is insurable value and I think that is measured by the policy amount paid.
allow me
"what is" Is urban nomenclature or ghetto speak inquiring as to what is happening.
What is, is what is.
What is. Is a complete sentence or a statement and perhaps a question, for evidently, a question need not have a question mark to be a question. I would surmise the first what is a noun and the next word “is” is a verb describing that what in reality exists. This seems to be a bit of a conundrum, as we don’t know what what stands for other than it in this case it is supposedly meant to be a noun or the subject of this very short sentence. Once that has been determined the following “what is” are either verbs or adjectives confirming that the first “what is” is what indeed truly is. All this aside I feel this is an existential statement confirming that “what is” is not something not named but considered to be something in itself and that the word is confirms its very existence.
uncle carl
Carl Jung said, “we are the origin of all evil and man is pitifully unaware of it".
how odd
Odd william powell the actor and that writer have the same name, perhaps his parents liked the actor, I was named after sean connery, bond, james bond...
how odd
Odd william powell the actor and that writer have the same name, perhaps his parents liked the actor, I was named after sean connery, bond, james bond...
Beatles zeitgeist give peace a chance
Which reality are you writing about? The perceptions of humans reality or the reality of the universe? Because I assure you human reality is an illusion. Human perception is an oxymoron, humans perceive everything through the eyes of the self and each individual thinks reality is what is real to them. There can’t be seven billion realities can there? Your Beatles Zeitgeist obviously refers to giving peace and love a chance, it is empathy and caring. As you are fond of pairs of opposites how about this pair of opposites, the opposite of peace love and caring is war, hate and apathy, is that better. It is logical that peace and love is the only thing that works and if that is an illusion so be it. As far as the original question goes, I re-post as follows. Human beings can understand others if they try but often they don’t want to let their opinions and beliefs be challenged, most often they are very opinionated. To understand others it is necessary to put yourself in their place and imagine how they may feel or easier yet really listen to what they are saying with intent to comprehend. Listening is an art that few possess the skill to do effectively. You must surrender yourself, suppress the self centered part of your ego and at least care enough to attempt to understand their feelings, beliefs and opinions. Accepting others is not acquiescing, giving in and accepting that they are right in your opinion it is realizing that they may have a valid point from their perspective, a perspective that may be different from yours. This is not the province of true and false but of subjectivity.
Love the thought
When will this time come soon I hope before we destroy the world? I can’t wait, let it be now I say almost in jest.
pleased to meet you
Me too but it is not the novel for me, I have written only one novel,
one novel
Its name is the "cave of dreams" a mythic journey. I mostly write short articles on old school phycology, Carl Jung and such and on mythology and philosophical subjects. Not much interest or profit there should I know how to market them. How about you and yours?.
psycological disorder
The two sides of the coin would not be atheism and anarchy but atheism and religion. Anarchy is disorder and chaos, not exclusive to either. Atheists and theist (religious) are equally benevolent or dangerous. The problem lies within the psyche, it is a mental disorder.
most excellent thread
Well I say that you are the knowledgeable person on this subject, I grew up almost poor and I often came up against lack of opportunity, first the family farm went under, then the woodworking factories, then the metal fabrication factories and the small town I live in went under, no jobs, then I graduated high school. I wanted to be a pilot or an aircraft mechanic but couldn’t afford the schooling. I never made enough money to afford a house or be able to raise a family in America. I have thought about it and now realize that there is a poverty mind set and I have experienced it and to some extent still do. However I still believe this stems from lack of opportunity, if there was opportunity I would be flying an airplane right now, there is the factor that I was under the belief that I this dream had passed me by and I was experiencing a lack of self-esteem as I never attained this dream and always had a job that was low paying. My solution was to leave America and pursue my dreams elsewhere and although I never have much money that isn’t the dream, I now live. Money is not important if you have food, shelter, family and enough to get by. It is a problem when you are in debt and living under an oppressive capitalist government that owns you. Leaving that situation is what freed me; I still have little money but live free under no debt or excessive costs of living. Thanks for the most excellent post and thank you for your work with the poor, you are a hero..
I am beginning to get it
Ok I am beginning to get it, but the problem still seems to me that all the jobs have gone overseas. The sad reality is that unless they are jobs that pay better than charity, this is unlikely to get better. People need the possibility of finding a dream and being able to attain it. When America was in its growth stage, the industrial age, people had jobs and the possibility of advancement. Now industry has gone overseas, and the middle and upper classes still insist in a growth economy, but the growth economy is overseas in Asia, not in America. Asia is where the corporate world now gets its labor and due to its cheap labor force these jobs are unlikely to come back home. These poor folks have been abandoned by big business interests that feel no obligation to the people that they sell their products to. Unfortunately, the only thing left for these people is to go to the government. This will only get worse; there is little hope of corporations investing in America when they pay a fraction of the American minimum wage to labors in Asia. I know you are trying to teach these unfortunates that there is a future for them, but is there more to life for the poor and where are the jobs that offer the possibility of the pursuit of happiness? And there is the staggering reality that the middle class is rapidly sliding into the lower class to consider as well. To create jobs for the American poor is creating a menial labor force that will not supply enough food, energy and shelter for the average person to prosper. There has to be strict government regulatory laws enacted on all corporations to require these corporations to reinvest in America. That is the solution, if that would miraculously happen there would be a star for the poor children to shoot for. But for now the sky is dark and your job will be tough and I hope you fare well.
teachers that helped me and those who didn’t
Well I sure can comment in the teachers that helped me and those who didn’t. I had a love for literature and writing and was quite the bookworm. I enjoyed English class and got good grades there but no encouragement. It was and still is my dream to become a writer, perhaps I still have the mindset that hinders me, but where is my opportunity? This was in a bad era of teaching methods in New York State near Buffalo in the sixties. I feel it was determined that although industry had already left the area for some reason they still wanted to educate us to become factory workers, not good thinking eh? However that may be my favorite teacher was the shop teacher, he was a really good guy and I was interested in building things, now my hobby is building boats. I still remember him fondly his name was Angelo Cuccia. One thing that stands out in my memory was that he respected us and looked the other way when we smoked cigarettes in the welding area. Needless to say he was well liked and respected in turn and I still use the skills he taught me. Hope this helps, I see you bot the best teaching skill already, you care…
teachers that helped me and those who didn’t
Well I sure can comment in the teachers that helped me and those who didn’t. I had a love for literature and writing and was quite the bookworm. I enjoyed English class and got good grades there but no encouragement. It was and still is my dream to become a writer, perhaps I still have the mindset that hinders me, but where is my opportunity? This was in a bad era of teaching methods in New York State near Buffalo in the sixties. I feel it was determined that although industry had already left the area for some reason they still wanted to educate us to become factory workers, not good thinking eh? However that may be my favorite teacher was the shop teacher, he was a really good guy and I was interested in building things, now my hobby is building boats. I still remember him fondly his name was Angelo Cuccia. One thing that stands out in my memory was that he respected us and looked the other way when we smoked cigarettes in the welding area. Needless to say he was well liked and respected in turn and I still use the skills he taught me. Hope this helps, I see you bot the best teaching skill already, you care…
American values and opinion
Correct, someone’s perspective or point of view is their subjective belief or opinion; this is our problem concerning liberty. But remember our constitution and bill of rights were the subjective personal and collective perspective of our founding fathers. The difference between them and us is they knew what freedom is. Their subjective belief sets the standard for liberty, making it a set of beliefs concerning personal freedom, this turns their concept of liberty into a system or moral code and morality is often subjective, such as morality did not apply to slaves or Native Americans. One rarely sees an objective (unbiased) situation concerning anything, private and public opinion rules. We don’t see things in an unbiased way it just doesn’t work for us, we are so opinionated and egocentric that we don’t want to consider the beliefs of our founding fathers concerning our lives. It is our fault that we are losing our freedom for we choose to interpret it subjectively. We could use some humility and consider the words of those who gave us our freedom instead of basing out perceptions of it on personal opinion. So yes, I vote for an unbiased interpretation of the freedoms that our founding fathers put forth.
like old times
Glad we can disagree. Warmer temps have already adversely affected thousands of planetary species. There is a drastic killing off of marine algae that supplies much of our oxygen, perhaps you don’t need oxygen but the rest of us do. This year in Thailand one third of the country was flooded due to climate change. This year there essentially was no winter in America, perhaps you did not notice this adverse condition. When spring comes too soon trees and plants bud and bloom too soon this is not a good thing for the season cycle. Overpopulation, pollution, and excessive use of resources and destruction of the environment are huge issues as well but many environmental concerns are caused by global warming. Not all the climatologists in the world can be wrong or perhaps you believe the those that work for the oil company.
yes care to join me?
Yes and unfortunately, I almost helped the cause recently. I recently was hospitalized for several weeks and had three operations. Seems we share some of the same medical conditions so we will eventually help this condition out. This nearly free medical system here is the problem though, total cost operations and hospitalization two thousand US.
agreement drats
I agree but where are the independent politicians to vote for, the democrats and the republicans are the problem. What do you mean by a referendum vote that will change things?
belief is a crutch
While I am inspired by this post I am also struck by the logical absurdity of believing. Unfortunately, your younger brother can’t be anything he wants. Perhaps at one time in America he had a chance a small percentage of achieving his dreams but nowadays there is a better chance of winning the mega lottery than achieving ones dreams. This is not meant to shoot down the idea of following ones dreams, to the contrary. One must follow many dreams and when a dream can’t be realized due to the many outside factors logically speaking one must abandon that dream and find another one that can be achieved. Belief in a dream is often futile but there are billions upon billions of dreams and one just right for you should you not give up.
yea
And when you pass these tests you will gain admittance to a society where everyone is leading inauthentic lives totally devoid of a meaning or value.
If somebody tries to kill you
If someone tries to kill you, why is their life more important than yours, if someone tries to kill a loved one why is their life better than the loved one? The great hero’s throughout time stood up for the weak against the evil doers and if you don’t stand up for the protection of the bad people what then. If the police don’t kill a murderer to save a victm what then?
Well
Now if they would only stop sentencing gays to death I would be impressed but until then I am appalled.
and now out of left field comes...
The question was: What is the most meaningful sentence you can think of ? Your comment or answer has nothing to do with the question.... But nice to see you are on personal terms with Mat and can use his nickname…
the link
Guess you did not see the link I posted Michu Kaku the inventor of string theory explains Newton and Einstein’s points.
