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What is magic?
Magic is love and love is KNOWLEDGE and APPRECIATION! If you really know yourself as the creator that each individual is, creation of whatever can be dramatically accelerated by the sole means of your desire and "the art of focusing". This is the "goal" of this Shift of Consciousness" in which we are now living. Becoming the being that I AM.
No Blame
Everybody is EQUAL but DIFFERENT! So distributing equally will never work - as communism proved - because of the different approaches to life of individuals. However there are means to get what you desire: By expanding consciousness with self-knowledge to find out again your "magic" and that means: You get what you yourself believe! I mean really believe - as deep as you believe that you are a man or a woman, that the sun will rise each day, etc. If you believe in poverty and circumstances outside of yourself which impede the fulfillment of your desires, you will have a hard time. If you believe in your own power and trust yourself and have control over your belief systems, you will get what you want. But even then people will make different experiences - even more. The difference is that they are conscious. There is nothing to be shared. Each individual has access to ALL ressources. So - stop blaming others. Do it yourself!
Life and Death
is the same. Death seems to exist but only from this physical perspective. There is no death - no-where. Only changing. It is only a question of awareness and where you are focusing your attention. You can call life a dream. The point is to dream in a lucide way. Day and Night.
No Death
There is no death, only changing. Physical projections are shed however you are still alive and maybe you even need some time that you are "dead", view from the physical perspective. To make these changement in a lucide way it is necessary to practice self-knowledge now.
Sorry Error
There is no death, only changing. Physical projections are shed however you are still alive and maybe you even need some time to realize that you are "dead", view from the physical perspective. To make these changement in a lucide way it is necessary to practice self-knowledge now.
Moral is good for nothing
There are no absolutes beside the eternal "I AM". The rest so to speak of all of what an individual is aware are manifestations and experiences due to belief systems. I speak of this physical world because there are certainely different worlds with other settings. Moral is based on the belief systems - and by beliefs I don't speak only of religious beliefs. This explains how moral changes, especially in times of crises. In a war i.e. it becomes morally to kill a lot of people, to write "got to hell" on bombs or to denunciate neighbours. The moral changes when beliefs change. So, my conclusion is: Moral is good for nothing. It obscures only more. What an individual needs is KNOWING, APPRECIATION and CLARITY!
Guidance System
Yes, we need enlightenment! But there is no exterior guidance necessary. The guidance must be your individual, personal guidance. You can only get enlightenment if you open the door to your soul so to speak - if you become aware of yourself. (Already now each individual has a fantastic guidance system - the emotions. Follow your heart, because the emotions communicate without error what you are doing deep inside. Good emotions: You go with your desires, bad emotions: You hear to shoulds and musts which you don't like. The emotions is the best guidance system you can imagine.) Many enlightened individuals transform of course society. This is the only way to change, individually and in society. Trying to change things "outside" will and has always failed. The good news is, that enlightenment is already on the way. There are a lot of people knowing about these mechanism of consciousness and practice self-awareness. This knowing is not yet seen in mainstream society however major changes like these come low and silently.
Victims
As long as women consider themselves victims of "the patriarchat" they will BE victims. So it is up to women to express themselves and not to attend the hail from others.
Human Energies
I agree somewhat with Anthony Arnove. Women who are in "power" reach this state by using the so-called masculine energies and forgot nearly completely about their "feminine" energies. So often they are more suppressive than men because they want to prove they are tough enough for the job. Now - what has to be done today is to unify masculine and feminine energies - as they have been labelled - to HUMAN energies. Both, men and women, need badly evolvement and it is outdated to speak about gender issues. We live in the age of the rising individual - the unseparated - and the challenge is to become this individual. IN CONSCIOUSNESS THERE IS NO GENDER! Women have to express themselves and take what they want - not by fighting, but by self-assurance. They have to stop being a victim of "outer" circumstances or of men. A victim attracts only more victimization.
Does it really exist?
First of all: Is there really a global warming? I ask this question, because I don't see it in my life. I live in Germany and most of the time the weather is as cold as it used to be. I think "Global Warming" is something like the ozon hole. For some years it was a big deal and now? Nothing. Did it disappear? Nobody knows and science keeps silent. Anyway... Suppose there is a Global Warming. Then - outside resolutions are ineffective. People have to change "inside" mentally and stop focusing on undesired things and learn to discipline their thoughts to see mainly beauty, health and knowledge. So many people are so concerned about disagreable stuff and although they want help and change, the only thing they attain is more disagreable stuff, because: What you battle against gets stronger!
"GOD" is just a religious belief system
On the temple in Delphi was an inscription: "Gnothi seauton - know yourself" and inside it continued: "...and you will know God." So, instead of continuing all these separating belief systems which are quite distorted knowledge of AllThatIs, it is much more effective to know yourself and by this you will know what is called God, or Higher Self or whatever the whole is named. And at the end you recognize that you yourSELF is God. And then you don't need any more religions or beliefs.
Don't Fight - FEEL!
If you need a prove how counteracting or fighting against violence, anger or hatred reinforces what you battle you have just to have a look at Afghanistan. The opium production has increased last year for more than 50%, although everybody - USA, Europe, Government of Afghanistan, swear that they do everything to abolish the production of opium. But of course, if you put all your energy into something - and it doesn't matter if you long for it or if you fight it - il will grow and grow and grow....So it is extremely counter-productive to counterACT or fight. The appropriate approach to stop unwanted experiences is to re-orientate the stream of consciousness and to focuse on desired things. However, I ask myself, who has an interest to continue this war - Drugproduction, Drugcombat and even more Terror, Antiterror? Why not abolish all laws against drugs? This will stop crime-rate and there will be not more drug-victims, because actually the dealers make all effort to get as much clients as possible. So - don't fight, FEEL GOOD!
Consciousness
Every-thing is made of consciousness however consciousness is no-thing. Animals are consciousness as are plants, minerals... every thing. However, animals are extensions of humans and do not live in all dimensions as humans do. They are organized differently. This does not means they cannot evolve. They can, but in general they are not essence like humans.
Fulfillment
A good life is IMO a fulfilled life and this means that the individual desires and intentions are fulfilled. Fulfillment is only possible with an expanded state of consciousness. Without knowledge - wisdom about the self - it is not possible to have free choice of experiences. And in this expanded state of consciousness it is not necessary to harm others in any way. Cheating and crime are just expressions of powerlessness. But if you are really YOURSELF you are in your power and add by this immensely to all consciousness. Nobody can do more for himself and for humanity.
All you need is love....
and love is KNOWLEDGE and APPRECIATION! Everybody understands that love is associated with appreciation, but it is not so common to know that you need knowledge to love. This knowledge is of course the knowledge about your unlimited self. The children know this, at least before they are strongly conditioned to mainstream thinking. So - allow your children to teach you!
To the Root!
Culture is built upon belief systems as the term "cult" already expresses. So in general, everything which is related to active belief systems is culture. I know that normally culture is rather related to the fine arts and similar, but basically it means cult. So if we speak of culture we have to consider also what is called civilization. The expression of a society based on belief systems is culture and/or civilization. Tradition might be the same but often it is also a remembering of former beliefs which has become neutralized and some expressions are kept because of their folkloric value. Strong traditions however continue to express strong beliefs from generation to generation. BTW: All belief systems and therefore culture and traditions have to be questionned radically - to the root!
Prime Directive
You certainely know the "Prime Directive" in Startrek which is a very intelligent way to deal with people - on an individual level and on a national level. Everybody should do his own busiiness and accept what others do - without interference. Of course, to be able to act like this one needs self-knowledge and therefore the ability to choose desired experiences. It is still usual to consider oneself or others as victims of outside circumstances. But this is distorted understanding of consciousness. In reality everybody is only victim of his own belief systems. So if someone wants to change conditions they have to be changed in consciousness. Life is absolutely just because each individual has the ability to choose which is first an "inside" process. So - there is justice right now but you have to understand your "mental tools".
World Food Day
Today is World Food Day which sounds better than World Hunger Day as it is called in German . However the effects are the same. The majority of the World population seems to have not enough food. Now, this is ridiculous if one considers the food that Europe and North America is throwing away each day and even more, what is not even planted to avoid overplus. When people are starving there can be no reasonment about economical necessities. We have to send food - now - and only after this we can discuss further solutions. For what do we pay our governements and the UNO. For stupitidy or is it only lethargy?
NO
The root of all evil is ignorance. Ignorance about oneself - about the mechanism of consciousness - about the I AM and that produces fear, hate and everything that is considered as evil. The religious institutions are also just a product of fear. They are not the cause. So if you don't like what you see or experience, change your mind. Start to know yourself and follow your bliss. That's easier than to stare at what you don't like, isn't it!
Fortunately
Fortunately there is a way out of fear and that is to start to know yourself, the oneself. Self-knowledge ist the only way I know to overcome fear and therefore to become more and more free of learned conditions. IMO it is not a question of common "education" but rather a question of self-education and that can be done by everybody. Could be done... My experience is, that the more I learned to perceive and think myself, the less important churches became. Now, their interpretations of the Gospels seem ridiculous to me. Superstitious. (See my site quantumunlimited.org for impulses about self-knowledge. I have many articles and links about how to become what I AM).
Cooperation
Yes, or as Oscar Wilde already noticed: Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people. What comes after democracy is the power of the individual who lives in cooperation and joy...
You Yourself
Start to love yourself unconditionelly and you will know. No more concepts, just DOING.
Transition
There is NO death, only changing. The holographic projection of matter is soon abandonned and the you of you is ready for new experiences. The transition can be facilitated already now by starting to know yourself and if you succeed in this self-knowledge "death" can be bridged consciously.
Naive!
This is quite a naive question, ignoring completely the mechanism of consciousness. Instead of being jealous and envious it would be much more effective to free your own power of mind - and wealth or whatever fulfillment of desires someone wishes - is only a state of mind. However most people prefer to complain instead of overcoming their ignorance by self-knowledge. And - there is no other way! quantumunlimited.org
Ridiculous
Why waiting for men? Women should stop to feel and act and publish like minorities and start to respect and love themselves. Each woman individually. Feminism "fights" against the very feminine convictions and what happens of course is, that fight reinforces the unwanted and confirms moment by moment the felt inferiority. Feminism is destructive and I know what I am talking about because I am a woman. (BTW: Fighting means that the whole attention and energy streams into the unwanted and therefore creates it again and again.) quantumunlimited.org
Wow! 4 Votes - 0 points.
Comparison is a state of consciousness which generates in general anxiety and is therfore good for nothing. Everybody is alone (all-one) in his world. So with whom do you compare. You compare yourself with your deepest fears, fears that you cannot accomplish your wishes and intentions... Instead of comparing and blaming the so called "others" it is much better to adjust your own thoughts, imaginations and observations and begin to FEEL what you want. It is quite simple: Put yourself in a FEELING PLACE of your intentions. This is the mechanism that changes the world.
Magick
While upgrowing children are fitted to the beliefs of society and these beliefs include such stupid things like "the survival of the fittest", everything is a hazard, you are a slave to your genetics or you are dust in the face of God. Children are told mainly inferiority complexes. If you don't want that for yourself or your children you have to make a conscious effort to become more conscious about yourself and the true meaning of a human being and which is no less than that he is "AllThatIs" or in other words that what is called a God. By this doing you will recover your innate "magic". quantumunlimited.org
Pink Floyd - The Wall
To be "just another brick in the wall" means, that you are subject to collective beliefs. Without self-knowledge everybody is subject ot mainstream thinking and will be ruled by others and not by himself. This starts already in schools and continues in work, in social behaviour, in the whole life... So start to know your self and your unlimited power. quantumunlimited.org
Individual
The most basic dignities of each human being is knowing about himself. By this he would understand that he is the highest value in the Universe. Unfortunately the mainstream beliefs impede this knowing and already children are told in schools that they are a product of hazard (theory of evolution) or nothing in the face of God (religions). With such belief how could somebody respect himself or others. BTW: Respect is a limited term. What is needed is full acceptance of one-self and by this automatically acceptance of the others. And: You don't DESSERVE anything. You ARE already ALL!
Again 2 points for something true
I have the impression that in this forum there are a lot of so-called "good humans" or righteous humans and their biggest wish seems to stay completely unsconscious. You want human rights and respect and dignity. Do you have it yourself? Unless you practice self-knowledge you have nothing to give to anybody. If you are not self-realized words are only lip-whores.
Aliens
Imagine for a while that peaceful Extraterrestrians have landed. What would happen? There is no protocol or law that could be a guideline for behaviour in this case, as far as I know. Would there be only the usual reaction of fear and therefore of defense? What would the landing of Extraterrestrials mean for our culture, to religions, to philosophy and all these other theories which so many consider as truth? There is a great possibility that a landing could happen. So shoudn't we be prepared? quantumunlimited.org
Center or UFO Studies
The Center for UFO Studies in the USA (http://www.cufos.org) has already a huge database with UFO sightings and abductions. Even a winner of the Nobel Prize, Kary Mullis, has been abducted ( http://www.cufos.org/IUR_spring99_addendum.html). It is difficult to deny the evidence that something happened and continues to happen. On an other level, Bashar, a being from the Essassani Civilization, channelled by Darry Anka, tells about the probalitiy of a landing and has indicated a kind of protocol for behaviour in such case, The Extraterrestrial OpenContact Law. Information about that is available at http://bashar.org/HOMEMAIN.html.
Extraterrestrial Law
I learned now that there exists a law in the federal regulations, a law called the Extraterrestrial Exposure Law and it says in general, very broadly, that if you should come into contact with a life form of any kind from off of our world, one is subject to quarantine, fine and imprisonment (Title 14, section 1211 of the federal regulations of the United States).
Symbols again
I don't know what blind people "see" inside. But I am sure that they know also more than words. Symbols are the expression of feelings and feeling is the communication - only communication - about the movement of consciousness. The important ist the movement, not the communication! They are a shortcut so to speak and they are translated in every dimension. And yes, they are interpreted in many ways, collectively and individually. However they express the one consciousness and everybody has to find out what his own connection is. Feeling itself ist not universal. It is bound to this physical time/space reality. If one day human beings KNOW there is no longer need for feelings. BTW: Each individual has to make its own definitions. Consciousness is individual although it is AllThatIs.
Respect vs. Acceptance
Respect is a word which is charged with a lot of "old-fashioned" associations like authority etc. What we really need is acceptance and that starts first with accepting one-self. By this everybody else is accepted also - as a side-effect so to speak. And of course, nobody can give somebody else "self-respect". You can serve as an example but thinking you GIVE it is a kind of hubris. And as everybody can see easily - also in the help of so-called underdevelopped countries - nothing improves really. What each human being need is self-acceptance and self-love and then - only then - he is capable of accepting and loving others. quantumunlimited.org
Concerned
By reading the question and answers I have the impression that a lot of people are concerned and focus mainly on what is ugly and unwanted instead of focusing on beauty and desired events. We all know what happens in the world. However, to change to desired events the desired events have to be imagined - SEEN and FELT - more than the undesired events. This is a self-discipline that has to be practiced in every moment if possible. One can only change one-self and nothing else. So concernment is not helpful in any way because it hides your own movement because the focus is outside. First there have to be "adjustments" individually and then the outside changes too. There is now so much wisdom available and the clearest knowledge comes from channelled beings. And I think they are teaching also to some extend because if we understand and meet some of them one day we can be at eye level.
More ET Links
Erich von Däniken is one of the first researchers of Extraterrestrial life. His sites are worth a visit: Legendarytimes.com and sagenhaftezeiten.com. Tons of information are available and there is also a large linklist for more sites.
Global Warming Hoax
Of course not. These are natural fluctuations... The question rather is: Who again has an interest in throwing such a fear and the second even more important question is: Why the hell people believe in such a lie?
Better life for children?
The only way to change undesired events is: Self-recognition. Knowing about the own belief systems and if necessary changing them. It is first an iside action which will generate then the matching outside.
Freedom
is nothing "for". Freedom is the birthright of every human being. Nobody can give you freedom. Everybody has to free themselves - from all learned conditions, from the past, from guilt, shame - from all restrictions. Beeing the ONESELF!
Redwood-Tree
I guess that a redwood-tree would not have any moral (which is good for nothing). Just wisdom and love.
Single Idea
Each individual has already the power for this "single idea or solution". It has not to be given! Imagine that each individual KNOWS about its power and the fundamental no-separation of all that exists - that the other is literally the oneself -wouldn't that change it all.... And the oneself is multiplicity in oneness - and not a pabulum.
Life is a Game!
And this game was chosen deliberately - for the joy of playing. Unfortunately the rules have been forgotten and the rules are: You - each individual - are the master of the game and you can choose whatever it should look like. Similar to the "Glasperlenspiel" of Hermann Hesse.
Feminism
This is a success of Feminism. They threw out the baby with the bathwater -so to speak. Until today women consider themselves as victims of men and this impedes self-awareness - as with all victims by the way. Instead of these low-intelligence actions it would be much more sophisticated - knowing - to really consider both genders as HUMANS first and by this equality would be a natural by-product. But as long as there are complaining victims the children will loose - in this case a real father - and the women loose too, even if the mothers have captured a seemingly victory. If men want to see their children they have to subdue to their ex-wifes. Maybe this is also a reason why so many Western people don't want children. Normally it is thought that working women are the reason. But maybe it is more because of all these rightless fathers! quantumunlimited.org
Absolutely
There are no other "important" questions. And if the "Who I AM" is understood there are no longer questions at all. Only knowing.
Dawn of Gods
Yes, I am living in an age of en-lightening. It is not possible to say "we", because each individual has to wake up al(l)one. And "extinction" does not really exist, however if you imagine and think it it you could experience this trauma for a certain period of time. So - watch inside!
Götterdämmerung
Yes, I can wake up in my present body which is just a projection and follows spirit - or matter follows mind. This is a matter of allowing. No need to die for that. BTW: No matter how "past" experiences happened. They can be accepted as just experiences and there is no need to judge. Judgement is the deepest trap.
Boomerang and the Law of Attraction
Indeed, very interesting! What happens, if the boomerang hits a target - in a spiritual meaning...
Target
Is hitting the target not a kind of fulfillment - a physical manifestation of intent and desires? In my opinion the ego has not to be destructed in any way, rather it has to be integrated in a much broader view so that it can be seen that all what I perceive is myself so to speak. With this broader perspecitve it is much easier to allow "the will of God" which is also my intent and desire.
Free Will
There is no judgement by "God" or - how I would prefer to call it - by AllThatIs or by my SELF. I am convinced that the individual has free will. However one must come to the point to understand it and to be it - by insight, by self-reflection. No, I can't escape from my-self. No need to do that anyway because it is unlimited and there are countless possibilities to live and all are equally valid. Judgement is a human feature born of limitation so to speak.
Judgement
I don't really understand what you mean by "you'll be judged" and "reasonable ones" with God. I am aware that I cannot believe that I am able to fly. But I don't consider it as a Law of Nature. I consider it as a belief systems which impedes my perception of flying. If I could believe and perceive it, "God" or my SELF would fulfill my intention. So I would rather say "my will is the will of God" if I would be able to allow it.
Objectivity
I cannot imagine that "freedom leeds to self-destruction". First, destruction is IMO not possible. There can be change but not destruction and second to be really FREE one has to have already great insight. This insight would make it very clear "That the one is All and All is the one. So all one can do is to harm one-self. That is why a really free individual does not need any "moral laws" which BTW just follow beliefs and change with beliefs. There is only one cosmic law which is I AM. And to remember - also as a human being - this I AM is the challenge now. And then there will be no other "laws", natural or cosmic, but only the free playing of consciousness.
Great
If you understand by "Cosmic Law" deep self-knowledge we are saying the same. I just wouldn't call that "reasonable". But these are just words... Have fun!
Inner Self
Your "inner self" as you call it can never be your enemy. It is pure love and well-being. But what can become your enemy are your beliefs systems, the "inner talk" as it is said in the comment above. These beliefs influence the perception so that you see literally only what you belief. There can be NO "outside" enemy if it was not created first inside. The beliefs are mirrored in the so-called real reality and if you don't like, what you see, choose more agreable beliefs. Why belief in "enemies" if you can belief as easily as that in friends!
Govern-ments
In some days the G8 will start. To prepare this event, the German governement made razzias, menaces the population of severe sanctions and built a huge fence to impede the "souvereign" - the people - to approach the "leader's" meeting place. The government behaves like it would be common in a dictatorship. That's why the logo of the summercamp is very well choosen. The govern-ment puts barbed wire between the chosen few and us, the dump voting material. But the barbed wire is always present when governmental people go somewhere. I cannot imagine that in former monarchies and dictatorships there where more separation between the governors and the people. They even build castles, not as cute as those of kings, but at least as expensive for the people. And all this is covered by the term of democracy, which is everything but the reign of the people. It is the reign of "Governments". If i.e. in Germany there where enough self-realized individuals, it would not be possible to have "Governments" which "govern". There would be a kind of collaborative Administration, thats all. An individual governs him himself. No need for authorities. So what humanity needs is self-knowledge and to become by this individuals, the individed, and living together in freedom and peace, without nationalities, armies and similar outdated features. Of course, this is only possible with self-knowledge. If a critical mass will not undergo this process of self-realization, the governments will continue their cruel banality. So - BE YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT!
Knowing
"It's maybe hard to understand, but consciousness expanding "deepest self-knowledge" for me means to know about god." zombie passage .... No it is not hard to understand. I agree with you if there is no separation between yourself and AllThatIs or God, because "The One is All and All is the One". I think however, that there is no "deterministic judgement" at all. Judgement is part of the human ignorance about the non-separation of AllThatIs or oneself. So, no judgement, no punishment by AllThatIs, only by oneself as an aspect of All, out from a position of not knowing. But once, you touch the "cosmic law" as you call it or as you get self-realized - whole - there is no longer judgement. There is only love which is KNOWING and APPRECIATION.
Mad?
No, I don't suggest a belief system which makes friend with madmen. Beliefs system are BTW only a feature of this area of consciousness which is called physical world, the game rules so to speak - so belief systems have nothing to do with "others". Everybody believes what he wants. And of course If you have self-knowledge, belief systems are just a tool to move in this area, a practical tool to project matter. When one is an individual - whole - belief systems are no longer important. They are just used and given up when changing to other dimensions. So if one knows the own beliefs, basic beliefs, they can be manipulated. Coming back to your "madmen"... Why believing that there are madmen at all. Why not perceiving people you like. Why not choosing projections that one enjoys and that are fun. You wouldn't read a book or watch a movie that you dislike. But that is exactly what is done, over and over again, because the belief systems are taken for the truth instead of tools, with all the silly side-effects of moral, which is nothing else but judgement: "I am right, you are wrong", etc. Yes, I agree with you that with knowing you become everything or nothing, which is just the same. -)
SCUM
"...because I'm not talking about belief systems, but about "my" perception and explanation of REALITY as "I" REALLY think it is." zombie passage Yes, your perception is influenced by the belief that there ARE madmen. That's why I said it would be more agreable to think of friends and your REALITY would follow your thoughts naturally. Such is consciousness. You get what you imagine, think and FEEL. You CREATE your own REALITY! And again: There is certainely no "God's program" of self-destruction. Consciousness is pure love and well-being. Only human beliefs impede this well-being. So - why not choose other beliefs? And it is even not necessary to destroy the EGO. It has just to be embedded into a broader view. But as long as you feel yourself being "scum" I don't see why you care at all....
Truth
The truth is: I AM, the "rest" ist real but not true - and, as Bashar said, there are only Four Laws in Creation: 1. You exist. 2. The One is All and the All are One . 3. What you put out is what you get back. 4. Change is the only constant... Except for the first three laws, which never change.
You create your own reality!
First, dear zombie (are zombies dear?-)) you cannot know what I believe and what I know and second, there is no matter at all. It is an illusion and the so-called "facts" are interpretations and as the word fact expresses already, they are "made". So everything is consciousness and it is a matter of vibrations, how consciousness is perceived. In this area of consciousness it is what we call physical, quite dense. The ego is also consciousness and a nice tool for this area. That's all. No need for destruction, it is just a tool. The problem is simply that the ego is taken for the TRUTH. So each individual is already a divine beeing - is consciousness - but does not remember his unlimited being. IMO it is not possible to separate "spiritual" and "physical" because they are one. All is ONE. A human beeing is far from being "scum" - no matter what he remembers. This feeling of inferiority is not helpful in expanding consciousness, becoming a CONSCIOUS divine being. It rather impedes it.
Zombies
A zombie in Voodoo is a "living-dead" because when this person was alive it was never enthousiastic - never full of spirit, had no self-knowledge at all. That is why even after physical death it is stuck into the same set of mind so to speak and has to work as a slave for other people. A zombie par definition cannot be "more alive than anyone else", because the main aspect of a zombie is the narrowness of his beliefs which impedes the free flow of consciousness or as you say it, "the oneness with god". ......................In my opinion it is not realistic to say that "we" are "inferior". The full potential of everything is in any moment available. So why not allow it. Your "realistic awareness of inferiority and scum" is really not helpful in getting aware or conscious. Inferiority and scum can attract only more inferiority and scum. That's why it is much more sophisticated to jump into a state of mind which allows for a broader view - beyond the learned belief systems. This will attract all the enery or information necessary for expansion and growth................... So what you call "oneness with god" and I would call Oneness with Self - which is the same - is beeing really alive and enthousiastic - being divine - KNOW about the oneself. I do not agree with your premises which I consider as hindering. BTW: "We" is one of these hindering assumptions.
Autistic
Yes, we have obviously a different way of thinking. But contrast helps to see clearer. -) I think there is no God that controls "us" (me). Each individual is the whole and has to act as the whole. That's why the first priority is self-knowledge. I agree with you that only a small part of this overall knowlegde is conscious. Nevertheless each aspect is also the whole with just a different perspective. ...........................To be the creator of the own reality is true - even for "zombies". So instead of projecting everything on "God" - putting it outside of the own responsability - is is much more intelligent to get self-aware and by this expanding becoming CONSCIOUSLY the person that I AM already. This does not lead to a "delusive autistic world" but in contrary to the inclusion of ALL. .............................. We are NOT Borg! We are Q. -)
Shifting
The paradigm shift is already in full flow and expands rapidly. For the individual person this means or flow with it - by becoming self-aware - or suffer heavily from all these rapide changes or in other words: Surf the wave or to be drawn (as an analogy or even leave this physical area of consciousness. One cannot stay "neutral" any longer. This shift affects everybody and anything.
I AM
The only way of becoming the "I AM" that i am is to become self-aware. This is the knowledge that is now needed. To be self-aware - the whole - means a burst of energy and by that of course of information, knowledge. All the other questions in this "summit" would be resolved quickly and easily. ....................... A system - individually or en masse - can only be changed if one takes a meta-position so to speak. It cannot be changed on the same level as it has been created. The point is however, that each individual has to undertake this self-knowledge by himself - to DO it in each moment. ......................Of course this would change everything. In the obsolete educational system, in the obsolete govern-ment, in religions and culture. A self-aware individual does not need any authorities. It is the ALL-ONE and by this naturally cooperative, but not conformable.
Oracle
To whom do you "confess" your sins. To your Self. To Yourself? And I think that the soul does not have to be saved. You - as consciousness - are completely save - with or without the so-called "sins"......................................... The body is just a projection of consciousness and this projection is shed when an individual wants change. However it is helpful to have self-knowledge when leaving this area. So the disorientation "beyond" (the ego consciousness) will not be so deep................................ No matter from which perspective I take it, I always come back to self-knowledge, because then I am whole or as the oracle in Delphi said: Know thyself and you will know God.
Authorities
"Just ahead of next month's G8 meeting in Heiligendamm, the Vision Summit 2007 will bring together social entrepreneurs, business leaders and policymakers in Berlin to discuss 10 concepts for an improved design of globalization. The “alternative“ summit will investigate concepts such as microfinance, fair trade and a Global Marshall Plan." visionsummit ........................... Social entrepreneurs, business leaders, policymakers...? Is this a call for authorities? Do you think that people who are so to speak the pillars of the system can change their very own system? Do you really believe that they will saw the branch they are sitting on? ................................ I appreciate the efforts "dropping knowledge" is undertaking. But at the same time you regress to outdated "philosophies" calling for "leaders" of any kind. This is not how the shift in consciousness will happen. I do not say, that these people are not shifting, but they will certainely not be the avantgarde. They have to many "certaineties" and generally speaking, they are afraid of loosing too much. .............................. This shift of consciousness or paradigme shift happens first inside and everything that has been believed so far has to be questionned. Everything. The "good" and the "evil" because there is neither good nor evil. There are only experiences. What will be very different after the shift is, that the individual will be able to choose CONSCIOUSLY his experiences which does happen so far only in a very restricted way and - concerning the so beloved authorities of dropping knowledge - there will be no more authorities at all, not even for small children.
Ecology
And now to "eco-efficiency". Great parts of the world are still very ecological and so this question is only valuable for the Western countries and specially valuable for the U.S.A. and Russia, the 2 "super-powers" if one considers weapons as power. I consider it rather as paranoia and weakness.Europe of course isn't very ecolological neither. .............. But anyway - again I have to say that the this system cannot be changed by the same system. One has to take a meta-position and that means one has to become much more intelligent than now. This is only possible by "looking inside" and this is an endeavor that each individual has to make himself. By expanding the individual awareness the individual changes and with him changes society. If one tries the "outside way" - politics as they are, economy, authorities.... - one will fail. It is the hard way and it is a spiritual law that "what is fighted will get stronger"....................What is needed now is the free flow of consciousness (which is energy and information) which is set free by self-knowledge. All the other efforts are ignorant because of a dramatic lack of intelligence and intelligence means not cleverness, but an understanding of the mechanism of consciousness - individually. And then, only then, a real ecology will be possible and a friendly and cooperative society as well.
Vibrations
I answered already and wrote: Music - Sound. And I still think that it is sound which is a translation of the vibrations of consciousness and consciousness is vibrations - motion - which creates the energy and information. So I can imagine that universally - and I mean universally and not only the Earth - this vibration is translated by all species into sound or music.
Courage
Dare to imagine yourself instead of calling - like many, many here - for authorities and "corporate minds".
Vibrations
I am speaking about the movement of consciousness which creates all the energy - which is energy and energy is information. These are the vibrations that I mean.
Truth
Are there lies at all? We live in an area of consciousness, where anything goes. It is just a matter of perception influenced by belief systems. So what is a lie for one person is the truth for another. And all these "lies" and "truth" are neither lies nor truth - they are just experiences.
BE YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT!
"Governments and other elected Representatives have the mission to do the best thing for the whole deomcracy..." ben Democracy with their governments have a philosophy that the masses are more important than an individual whereas there is no higher value in all multiverses than an individual. If an individual person would be considered as the highest value there would be no need to "govern" and making milliions of rules or acting for somebody else which is BTW impossible. However most of the people are not individual - self-aware. They are still in a kind of collective state of mind, full of fears and take no personal responsabilities and that's why there are governements which are considered as responsable for security.
BE YOUR OWN GOVERNMENT!
"Governments and other elected Representatives have the mission to do the best thing for the whole democracy..." ben - Democracy with their governments have a philosophy that the masses are more important than an individual whereas there is no higher value in all multiverses than an individual. If an individual person would be considered as the highest value there would be no need to "govern" and making millions of rules or acting for somebody else which is BTW impossible. However most of the people are not individuals - self-aware. They are still in a kind of collective state of mind, full of fears and take no personal responsibilities and that's why there are governments which are considered as responsible for security. They are expected to control the fears and as the governments are also in this state of fear they create even more fears like terrorism, global warming, etc. - a vicious circle. By "personal responsibility" I mean that a person must know what he is thinking, imagining, DOING inside, because this is what will manifest outside and a person who knows about himself has no need to be governed by others. Although I consider democracy as the best of all possible communities so far it is not the best way of living together if one takes a larger point of view. The best way of living together will be only realizable if many persons will be self-aware and will be able to take over complete responsibility for themselves - will be able to respond to self. And only then freedom is possible.
Sovereignty
"But an individual cannot regulate itself perfectly without being spiritually enlightened. " zombie passage - Absolutely! Change cannot be stopped but what can be done is to CHOOSE consciously the change and not to suffer it as a victim. Of course this requires to take over the full responsibility of everything in one's own life and this is maybe a main cause why so many prefer to stay victims...
After Capitalism (and Communism and other ...ism)
there will be magic and magic is knowledge - most of all knowledge about self. And this knowledge will show possibilities and probabilities unseen in the actual state of ignorance. So - the first step is self-knowledge and the "rest" (matter) will follow easily. And when there is knowledge, there will be love too, because love is only possible with knowledge about oneself and knowledge about All That Is!
Here and Now
"And what anyway would be the path to spiritual enlightenment? " zombie passage First, "self-regulation" is IMO not a fitting term for any path to enlightenment. Regulation is exclusion, whereas an individual includes all that is. It is difficult to say what is the impulse which leads someone to enlightenment. It is openness, awareness and trust in one's own perceptions, intuitions, impressions - a kind of "jumping over one's own shadow" and the shadow are the belief systems which are considered as THE truth rather than as simple tools. I agree with you that it is not a question about "the shortest way" or that "life is short". As the path to enlightenment requires certainly to stay in the HERE AND NOW, time and space are not important features. And yes, in moving towards wholeness or enlightenment , "unbelievable" things become possible. This is magic and magic is knowing or en-lightenment. All becomes clear!
Here and Now
It is always HERE and NOW, no matter how fast or slow you move. Is is the attention which "stays" in the moment rather than in the so-called past or future which do not exist. There is only the NOW. Yes, it is not a question of "goals" but of understanding, insight, knowledge or however one wants to call it. In magic or knowledge about self are no black and white perceptions. It is pure knowing. Black and White is a feature of (unseen) belief systems. I i.e. am pleased about expanded experiences. Self-knowledge enables a person to choose deliberately the experiences. The person is no longer victim of the own beliefs. So why not choosing the experiences one likes.
There is nothing outside
"It seems that for you reality is just only soemthing that exists in your own head and that there is nothing outside?" zombie passage Yes, there is nothing outside! But it is not in my "head" or brain, it is rather in my mind and in consciousness. The "outside" is inside so to speak. Matter is a kind of holographic projection and mirrors my belief systems. That's why it is so important to know what one believes and therefore creates. There is NO future. When you arrive in the so-called future it is again now, isn't it. And the past does not exist neither. It is just remembrance. There is only one moment, now. And if you speak about "future societies" - well, they are created in the now and this is not "collective" but a collaboration between many persons. I have stated that magic is knowledge, knowing about self, the mechanism of consciousness and being able to manipulate consciousness. This is not about manipulating "the others", but oneself - the own life. I see this kind of knowing (self-knowledge) as the only intelligent way to create more pleasant societies and a more pleasant individual life. Can you imagine how pleasant it would be to live in a collaborative society where everyone is able to care for himself? Your call for "God" impedes IMO your own responsibility. It is YOU who generates your world And if you like the saying "God forgive them..." why not start to be aware of what you are doing. Or did you think about "others" and not about yourself?
Manipulation
I said, that I manipulate my own world as everything is in my own perception. I cannot perceive with your eyes. And so everybody does. For me however it is all in my perception - also the "others" and potentially I am free - if I can allow it - to perceive whatever I want to see. Of course this requires already deep insight. I see, you don't like the word "magic", which is for me just knowing. And "God" makes exactly what you allow because God is your-self. Of course, you are free to stop this conversation because of a misunderstanding. I can speak only for myself and I can manipulate only myself. I know that "manipulation" is considered as "bad", but with each thought a human being is already manipulating... And I hope that you trust yourself enough to say that You Are and that has nothing to do with my perception. -)
Individual Vibrations
Yes, each person vibrates differently like each person has a unique fingerprint or has a very unique voice. Maybe it has to be accepted finally that each individual is unique and expresses consciousness in a unique way. This does not impede the truth that each individual is at the same time all that is. So what is needed is deliberate collaboration between all these unique individuals and not a "leveling" to a pabulum.
All Is Perfect
Life, the Universe, All that is - is already perfect. It is rather a question of focusing. What do you assume, what are your premises, what are your beliefs about life, about consciousness. And these premises influence your perception so that you literally can see only what you belief. And I think that there is no "great leap that finishes all changes". Consciousness IS movement and there will always be change - no matter whether you live actually a physical life or if you are beyond (your actual attention). So for me it makes much more sense to embrace change and to learn, how to initiate the desired changes rather than to suffer of creation "by default" which means that you are unaware about your premises.
Change happens
What we live in actually is a GLOBAL ACCELERATION rather than a global warming. And in this acceleration changes happen much faster than people are a accustomed to. And these rapid changes are INTERPRETED as global warming - and this interpretation is induced by fear and fear is an outcome of lack of information. The interpretation is just a belief and NOT the truth! So, of course, there is a lot of ugliness "out there" and it couldn't be amiss to change it. However what is needed is not restrictions. What is needed is expansion which means to make all efforts - or rather allow all imagination - to find new energies which are "clean" so to speak - without these unpleasant side-effects of the actual energies, like smell, smog, wars and even carbon dioxide. Global warming is - like terrorism - a tool of the ignorant collective mind to avoid changes out of FEAR. Politics are just the peak of this fear and they act out of fear and act out the fear of the collective beliefs. So for me it is obvious that the understanding "the intelligence" has to be expanded to have a much broader view about the Earth, about life and about oneself. In other words, what is needed is self-knowledge and that is not a "spiritual hobby". It is the most practical and most effective tool that humans could use because what is done "inside" generates the "outside" - which is basically the same................................ So - concerning your small atoll in the Pacific Ocean. These atolls sink and raise and I am sure that the people living there know this and will look for another atoll in time. You don't have to fix anything for them. They are able do it themselves..................................................... EMBRACE CHANGE!
Animal Rights
I think YES! However, there are still strong convictions that human beings must eat meat products - proved by science - although it has also been proved xtimes that this is not true. Whole nations lived for centuries without meat - like former India - and they were not unhealthier than other people and actually there are many vegetarians and they feel good. They have no deficits. In contrary. To me it seems completely unnatural to eat cadaver. >>>>> >>>>> But the worst thing in this kind of alimentation is the animal husbandry. They live in kind of concentration camps and are tortured daily and even their death is often enough painful. I cannot imagine that eating meat from so unhappy animals is healthy. So I consider the animal husbandry - as I know it is often practiced in Europe - as barbarous and not worthy of a high civilization. This is NO culture! >>>>> <<<<< So, as long as animals are kept in this way, it is not possible to eat meat. Nobody can really control how the animal have been raised and that's why it is necessary to become a vegetarian. And only then the producers will change their attitude and think about the wellness of their animals. >>>>> <<<<< A really "High Culture" would not keep and kill animals in such a cruel way. Of course, this is also valuable for animals kept for research purposes and for animals kept for fur production. All this does not only make suffer the animals. It diminishes also the human being. >>>>> <<<<< STOP! >>>>>
Ignorance
Ignorance about the one-self is the reason for all suffering! ...................BTW: Fighting against "terrorism" enforces terrorism. The only "sophisticated" way of stopping all kind of suffering is to realign the own convictions - to focus on things wanted and not to focus on fear. This is an "inside job" and to be able to do that one has first to see the active convictions, which are in general taken as "truth" (which of course is not true -)) and that is the main reason why suffering (terrorism, global warming, sicknesses, etc.) continue.
Quotes about Animal Rights
In the last decades research about animals discovered so many abilities of animals and how they organize themselves in a very intelligent way so that they cannot be seen any longer as a "thing".
Here are the quotes
* Think occasionally of the suffering of which you spare yourself the sight. ~ Albert Schweitzer * The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men. ~ Alice Walker * Vivisection is a social evil because if it advances human knowledge, it does so at the expense of human character. ~ George Bernard Shaw * I abhor vivisection with my whole soul. All the scientific discoveries stained with innocent blood I count as of no consequence. ~ Mahatma Gandhi * The human spirit is not dead. It lives on in secret.... It has come to believe that compassion, in which all ethics must take root, can only attain its full breadth and depth if it embraces all living creatures and does not limit itself to mankind. ~ Albert Schweitzer * The assumption that animals are without rights and the illusion that our treatment of them has no moral significance is a positively outrageous example of Western crudity and barbarity. Universal compassion is the only guarantee of morality. ~ Schopenhauer * Non-violence leads to the highest ethics, which is the goal of all evolution. Until we stop harming all other living beings, we are still savages. ~ Thomas A. Edison * If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow men. ~ St. Francis of Assisi * Life is life - whether in a cat, or dog or man. There is no difference there between a cat or a man. The idea of difference is a human conception for man's own advantage. ~ Sri Aurobindo * It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions. ~ Mark Twain * Our task must be to free ourselves... by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and it's beauty. ~ Albert Einstein * Now I can look at you in peace; I don't eat you any more. ~ Franz Kafka
Hunting
A very important aspect of Animal Rights is also hunting which is considered as a sport. The hunters in Europe claim that there would be too much game animals if they where not hunting. I cannot prove if this is right but intuitively I don't like the idea of hunting. And of course there is the hunting of wild game like bears or animals in Africa. This is real terrorism for the animals. And what is it good for? Thrill by killing?
And of course there is the hunting of the whales which is especially barbaric, because whales are a species of very high intelligence or as Elias says:
your creatures of your whales and your dolphins are a projection of you; therefore, they are an aspect of you.All this has to be considered when speaking about Animal Rights and - like with everything - each person has the power to act himself. Nobody has to wait for "government" or other authorities. An even in the Genesis eating meat is considered as a curse. So - think about it!
Now; that aspect of you desires to be, in a manner of speaking, fragmented and therefore be essence. It is generated from you. It is not that these creatures have been inhabiting your planet, so to speak, separate and apart from yourself and in one moment have decided “I choose to be essence now.” No. They are already aspects of you.
They in themselves are not essence but they are consciousness. They merely are not incorporating an energy personality tone as do you, and therefore they are not generating other manifestations or other attentions simultaneous to themselves, for they are one of your attentions. That attention of you, in conjunction with you, expresses a desire to be a personality energy tone, and you, in agreement and in association with YOUR desire, express compliance with that. Therefore, in a manner of speaking, it is a type of fragmentation.
Less Meat
Yes, to eat less meat and only meat of well-kept animals would be a step into a natural animal treatment. Still remains the questions about animals kept for fur production and animals which serve as testmaterial in the pharma-industries. I think that eating such a lot of meat coming mainly from unhappy animals cannot be healthy (and it is deadly for the animals of course). So even if people have no compassion with animals they should prevent themselves from illnesses. Maybe this could be a stronger impulse to stop this huge slaughtering. What I don't quite understand is this global fight i.e. against smokers whereas the slaughtering is of nearly no interest. A smoker does not kill anybody else (I know about the hoax of smoke being more dangerous for non-smokers -)) but eating meat kills and first tortures Billions of animals.
So again: Stop the Slaughtering"
Question and Answer
Why not answer the own question which is - not only mine - most of the time rhetorical. And the communication with oneself can (and should) be lively. I don't really know what is "the spirit of this forum" but I hope it is basically free speech. And, BTW, the whole life - every-thing and each moment - is self-mirroring. So what!
Human Rights
Yes, I agree that Human Rights are very important. As you said, all is interconnected and no matter what perspective one takes - it is always everything that has to be considered. But it is not "interdependence", because each individual has all the means to be completely free and independant. It is rather deliberate creation and co-operation out of joy which would make life so much more beautiful and fulfilling. And of course this co-operation is also valuable with animals. And it is much more fun!
Yes
The universal language is vibration and - as you said - in difference/alterity. Everything is equal, only different so to speak. However I think this is only possible with some more basic knowlede about oneself - introspection, selfknowledge. Only then the fears of difference can be understood and therefore be dropped. Acceptance means the absence of judgement but as long as there are fears there will be judgement and often punishments. The "scheme" would be then no scheme but understanding, acceptance and love. And the first step is to understand, accept and love oneself.
Food Chain
You are right with your arguments about the food chain.
However... as long as animals are treated so badly as they are now as long it is not possible to eat meat. For me it is not possible to support their torture and their concentration camps.
This is the main focus of this discussion
Forshadow
"If children grew up as they forashadow we would have only genius children". This was said by J.W. Goethe, a German poet, genius himself.
So what children need is freedom of expression and most of all what they don't need is just another restricted belief system like philosophy. So if you want to "teach" something, let them time and space for imagination - even and especially in school. Or even more effective: Do it YOURSELF !
Catholicity
It never started. Tolerance is good for nothing. It simply means that I tolerate someone but that I continue to judge, to condemn him. But what is needed is ACCEPTANCE and acceptance is the absence of judgement.
Missing
There is a word in Englisch for tolerance that is "catholicity" and it means "liberality of sentiments or views". Extremely funny! But maybe this is a protestant point of view...
Authorities
The whole thing as I perceive it, is just a deterministic process that will lead us becoming TRULY reasonable. zombie passage
If there would be any "determic process freedom would be impossible. And what you are saying about "failing - wrongdoing - misunderstanding" ist just moral and moral is based on belief systems and belief systems are authority, as long as you believe it.
Slowly some are waking up of this trance of major belief systems like religions, science, sexuality... and understand that these is not the absolute truth - just beliefs - and that different belief can be choosen. Of course the old beliefs still work for a while and there might be battle and fighting...
This is the shift in consciousness. It is not from animal instinct to conscious being (we are already conscious beings) but to wake up from traditional trance and trust oneself.
BTW:Missing Link
This is the link: http://youtube.com/watch?v=PBEIeRSLb8k Anybody who gives you a belief system is your enemy. Osho
Alternate Food
Yes you are right, there is already alternate food. However that does not end the suffering of all other animals.
BTW: Leguminous Plants together with cereals is complete protein. So from the viewpoint of health there is no need to eat meat at all
Eat like in paradise!Progression
Yes, humanity progresses. I progress. Sometimes it seems as if there is a lot of procrastination and even regression however I think that considering all in all there is progress.
I even believe that we as humanity and I as an individual are at the threshold of a special point of no return which means no return to the unconscious choice of misery, disaster, wars, sickness and all these disagreeable things. Of course if someone chooses to experience this it is up to him. But there will be no longer unconscious choice - living by default so to speak.
It is no less than the step from conscious control - as it is now - to conscious choice!
Everybody
I agree with windmill that everybody is subject to the manipulation of media - mass media - unless one enlarges considerably the own awareness, attention and of course perception. This is only possible by knowing more of one self.
If this selfknowledge is not ...allowed or done one lives a "collective" life, influenced and determinated by "others" - be it mass media, politics, religions...AUTHORITIES
Ni Dieu Ni Maitre! -)
Torture
Torture is when animals are kept in small spaces and never can go out on meadows or similar or cannot keep their cubs. There are many many "animal factories" in Germany where the conditions are like this. Especially for swines and poultry the conditions are unbearable. And of course the conditions for "test animals" are even worse. No, they are not beaten. It is worse. If you want to know more you can visit sites like Peta for details. I have seen factories like those described with my own eyes.
Links
Hi doc,
I have two links in German for you - Peta and Greenpeace.
http://www.peta.de/vegetarismus/tierqulerei_mit_qualittssiegel.1182.html http://www.greenpeace4kids.de/themen/tierschutz/hintergruende/artikel/teil_2_der_ganz_legale_wahnsinn_tierquaelerei_als_geschaeft/
and tons of links in English:
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/submitted/Ramirez/FaithSeekingFood.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/228698/the_risk_to_humans_and_the_torture.html
http://www.awionline.org/pubs/Quarterly/su02/farmanimals.htm
http://network.bestfriends.org/animallawcoalition/news/
etc.
And the Peta Video Archive (if you can bear it):
http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/archive.asp
Animal Factories and the Government
The Animal Factories are not shut down by Governmental Agencies because the Government is part of the mainstream, it is so to speak the peak of mainstream. If we had representatives who care for animal rights, the population already would have cared before.
So all what the "Government" (ridiculous term in a so-called Democracy) is doing is giving some penalties for especially obvious faults like selling decomposed meat or to much of hormones in the meat.
We had recently in Germany the participation of the Green Party in the "Government". Although there philosophy is that they care for nature, they didn't change anything in the animal conditions. It was (and is) only lip service.
I see really only one effective method to stop this cruelty and that is to stop eating meat, wearing animal products and using medicaments and cosmetics developed with test animals. I see the difficulty in medicaments which is hard to find out if there even are some.
The consumer defines the market. So this is where the responsibility is for each individual. No call for "Government", no call for Industrie, but again
Do iT Yourself!
Freudian
The so-called "unconscious forces" postulated by Freud are not sooo unconscious. With some attention and awareness these forces - I would call them belief systems - can be noticed. They (the beliefs) show themselves in every manifestation.
No matter if the beliefs are conscious or unnoticed, each individual is fully responsible for ALL what happens in his own life. So it would be very intelligent to start with some self-knowledge - which is first the knowing about the belief systems - to be able to choose different beliefs in the case that the manifestations are disagreeable.
Each individual has the ability of choice - a choice more basic than physical manifestations. However this ability has to be discovered also and only then the responsibility is no longer a heavy burden.
"You are the vibrational writers of the script of your life, and everyone else in the Universe is playing the part that you have assigned to them." Abraham
UN and USA
They are still in the USA because the UN is just a vassal of the USA. Nothing more.
Spiritual Analphabet
"Fact is that he's a spiritual analphabet (illiterate) ..." zombie passage
Wow! This is very "religious" in the sense that all religious institutions and their believers judge permanently those with different beliefs. This alone is enough to understand that religions with their different Gods are really - really - good for nothing. -)
Intelligent means to understand. And the actual religions with all their holy books do not understand. Science does not understand. You can see it on what they manifest. So everybody invents some belief system and takes it for THE truth. And the fight goes on...
Understanding is a lonesome path and it has to be done. It cannot be taught or learned. It has to be experienced. So all these things with GOD and so on are quite distorted. There are very few truth. The most important is:
I AM (All That Is, God, or whatever one likes to call the whole)
World Farmed Animal Day October 2
Did you know that 41 billion animals are killed for food each year in the U.S. alone?
In factory farms, chickens, turkeys, and pigs are crammed into filthy windowless sheds and tiny metal cages and crates. Chickens and turkeys have their throats slit while they are still conscious and are often scalded to death; pigs have their teeth, tails, and testicles cut off without any painkillers; and cows are often skinned alive. Live fish are hacked apart and crushed to death on the decks of industrial fishing boats or are crammed into disgusting fish farms for their entire lives.
On World Farmed Animals Day, October 2, animal advocates around the world will speak out for the billions of animals who are cruelly and unnecessarily killed for their flesh every year.
By adopting a vegetarian diet, you can save more than 100 animals each year; by encouraging your friends and family members to follow your lead, you can help save thousands more. Check out our fun and easy ideas for spreading the word about the cruelty involved in eating meat: PETA
This is an action from PETA. The numbers are enormous and nearly unbelievable. Time to take action, isn't it!
Forgiving
Forgiving is unnecessary. One has nothing to forgive. All experiences are valuable and should be accepted. All experiences are self-made. Of course if they are disareeable, it does not make sense to repeat them ad infinitum. One can reorient in mind first and then the manifestations will follow the new orientation as truly as the old one.
Forgiving is a totally "religious" thing (installed by churches) and keeps an individual - together with humility - so to speak small.
Beliefs and Truth
Jesus Christ spoke of truth and not of a belief system...zombie passage
Yes, he spoke of truth and the truth is - as he said - "The father and I are one". This is valuable for each individual, being the whole even if it is not wholly manifested.
...that lack of faith leads to enslavement rather than towards freedom... zombie passage
Ignorance leads to enslavement and taking belief systems - religious or scientific - for the truth is ignorance. Beliefs are only the attempt to interprete reality but they are not the reality or the truth.
So believing in any belief system makes you immediately the follower or even slave of others. However we live in a "consciousness space" where we have to believe something that (physical) manifestations happen. So why not set up the own belief system! To understand that everything that happens is self-made and a follow up of a belief is the first step to freedom. Then, with some practice (in fact a lot of practice) one can start to manifest consciously. And this is FREEDOM!
OK zombie passage
This is a forum where people discuss for fun - not to convince. If you are anxious that anyone will "try to convince" you it is your problem. But the very fact that you already tell me the second time that you find it "useless" to discuss with me (it is o.k.-)) should show yourself that you don't like other opinions. Why answer at all!
Justify
Nobody has to "justify" anything. One can notice what one is doing and then take (first mental) action. Justification ist part of guilt - which is just another belief system.
Hi doc
"Serious entries" and joy or fun are not a contradiction for me. The more "knowledge" the more fun! And I agree that the tone should be courteous. Of course not everyone is interested in what I want to say. However I will continue to express myself and hope that everybody does so too. Consensus is not necessary to have interesting discussions - nor "tolerance". Only acceptance. Diversity is fun after all.
Self-knowledge is cool! -)
Hello doc
I changed my settings. Anyway I check at least once each day dropping knowledge.
The difference between "tolerance" and "acceptance" is fundamental. Tolerance is just disguised judgement. Tolerance is an insult. Acceptance is the understanding that each individual is equally valuable and "right" in its expressions.
Acceptance does not mean, that I have to stay with people in which I am not interested. It means that I don't have to judge them but turn myself to experiences of my preference. Acceptance is IMO only possible if one can accept oneself which is not so easy. The whole education tends to focus on weaknesses rather than on the power of the individual. This unlimited power has to be discovered. By this the fear of difference will be dissolved and fear is the basis of all denial and rejection.
100 Animals
Yes, that's right - they would not exist. Humans should only raise animals which can live a natural life. The consequence of being a vegetarian human race would be that there would be less animals which are now eaten and much more space for the remaining animals.
BTW: There are more consequences which I will write in a later post...
Again tolerance
Tolerance is an INSULT! And "GOD" - Allthatis - The Whole - Expanded Self - is non-judgemental. (BTW: Evaluation is not the same as judgement). And as each individual is the whole, nobody is left or not accepted "at the end". However - why wait?
Your best...
If you can't feel it I can do nothing that you understand. And: I accept your opinion but I don't agree.
NO
Again - there is nothing to be "tolerated". Tolerance requires judgement which is then switched to tolerance because you are such a good person. This is hubris. Acceptance means the understanding that everybody is "right". There is no "but". It depends on me myself if I want to be involved with a person or not.
Lip Service
Yes, English is not my mother language although I know the common interpretation of tolerance of course. But "respect" etc. are only lip services and therefore very fragile. The world is full of duplicity which is naturally only a means of contrast to be able to recognize clearer, but which has become purely moralistic. Everything is divided in right or wrong - with all the fightings, wars and other disagreeable experiences. Sometimes, if it is not to bothersome, people "tolerate" although the other is "wrong". If one could accept different opinions as equally valuable there would be no reason for fighting.
I want to do the definitions back to the root so to speak. And tolerance means nothing else than bearing and suffering. Root definitions are very important because they are the basis of the belief systems. So re-definition is required if you want to be able to choose freely. Websters does not help in this case. -)
Your life and your world do not define you. But instead, you define them! Kris
Black and White
"One of us must be stupid for sure, but only tomorrow knows who it will be *ggg*" zombie p.
This is just black and white thinking. Just ask your GOD!
Useless
It is just an exchange of opinion and that serves contrast and contrast clears things out. I don't think that you want to insult me really, however tolerance is the self containing insult. If you have to tolerate my opinions you must think that you know it better, that you are right.
For me nothing is "mindfuck" or useless. If it happens it means that I am involved. If you think that all this has nothing to do with you I don't understand why you continue.
Who is God?
You Yourself! So the question should rather be: Do I really love myself.
BTW: A very bright definition of love by Elias:
Love is not an emotion. Love is an action.
Love is (self)knowledge and appreciation.
Acceptance
Nobody has to accept MY ideas. Acceptance means that all ideas are valuable and that no judgement is required. If I don't like certain ideas I don't have to deal with them. I have the ability of choice. But I don't have to condemn them.
There is no need to judge preferred ideas and then "tolerate" them. Only unpreferred ideas have to be tolerated, isn't it so! You don't need tolerance for something you like. Maybe you can see now the difference between acceptance and tolerance....
And very important: Acceptance never ends. It is a superior state of mind.
Zombie!
We have very different vibrations. This is of course o.k. however if we continue the discussion we will turn only in circles. Just one thing for the end: Tolerance is never wise! -)
Consequences of eating meat
It seems that many people are concerned with Global Warming. They even take it for fact. They are anxious and huge amounts of money are pumped into the fight against the so called climate crisis.
Now - everybody knows that cattle produce large amounts of marsh gas which is a very big factor - together with CO2 - for global warming. Imagine the billions of cattle and other animals raised for food... and how they increase global warming.
This is not totally serious because I am convinced that we don't have a climate crises but only natural fluctuations. But people who believe in global warming can not continue to eat meat! -)
Population Burst
I don't think that there are many people who want to destroy nature for more human space. Most humans are very fond of nature and of animals. They are just not REALLY consciously aware what happens with animals and if they are they feel powerlessness.
Concerning the population... The greatest population bursts are in countries of the so-called third world. We have - in Europe and the USA - already to much crop however the population diminishes constantly. So this cannot be the reason for population growth.
I don't see any reason why not to stop this extremely cruel meat-production - this holocaust of animals.
BTW: If someone is offended by the therm holocaust in conjunction with animals let me say that Isaac Singer, a Jewish philosopher, made this comparison too.
Secular
One cannot be secular enough!
Religions - churches - as they are practiced - impede insight, knowledge and understanding. Each religion possesses THE truth and promotes separation from the rest of humanity which has not this special "truth". So all religions are sects.
Each religion has THE message from God - the only true message and has to fight other people who have not THE true message. A believer in any religious belief system is hypnotized and cannot see beyond this system. He is indoctrinated.
I.e. in the case of the Christian religion: They speak about Jesus and that he is love... But what is lived is the "teaching" of the god of the Old Testament - Jahwe - who is really a judgmental guy. What Jesus said i.e. in the Sermon of Mount is not understood and therefore not lived.
The worst thing however in religions is that they put the focus on the "beyond" and miss so the point of power which is only NOW. They expect and teach their believers that in the beyond everything is fine - of course for the chosen few - and deprive such their followers of their individual power which is available only now, because there is only one moment in creation and this moment is always now.
But of course every individual can choose and free himself from all these distorted teachings and start to listen to his own intuitions, feelings, and trust his own perception. This is where an individual has to go if he does not want to be the slave of some belief systems (be it religious or other).
Ni Dieu Ni Maitre!
Guilty
Forgiveness is only necessary if there is guilt. And that is one of the most effective means of pressure of religious institutions. Of course other institutions use also guilt, like in education. The children are so to speak trained to feel guilty. It is similar to tolerance. Tolerance is also only necessary if one judges and rejects.
And I know about what I speak. The Germans are (now) the masters of guilt! -)
Shagism...
laluka - there are many religious beliefs. One could say that all ...ismen are very strong belief systems. And an individual who does not even know that he acts according to his belief systems - religious, scientific or other - will always be a easy victim for whatever manipulation, like advertisement, science and churches...
And all these strong ...ism are the reason for all fights:
Ev'rybody's talking about
Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism
This-ism, that-ism, is-m is-m is-m.
All we are saying is give peace a chance,
All we are saying is give peace a chance.
New Wine...
@ Sioux2
A physical move maybe helps somewhat - however what would really help is a move of the mind and that is the problem. The UNO tries to cure symptom after symtom. But as it is part of the overall mainstream thinking not even the symptoms are cured and the causes - the human mind - remains unmoved.
One of the causes are the "Nations". Nations are separatists by nature - if not nations would be unnecessary. So all the discussions resemble to the work of Sisyphus. As soon as they have discussed a point they start anew because one or the other interest of a "nation" is endangered and so on...
They want to drink new wine in old wineskins - so to speak
You can never solve a problem on the level on which it was created. Albert Einstein
<Judgement vs. Evaluation
There is a difference between evaluation and judgment. But this difference can only be recognized if one has somewhat recognized the mechanism of duplicity. If one is stuck in right or wrong, good or bad, one has to continue with judgments and then punish or ...tolerate. In the case of tolerance it is a judgment which is not followed by punishment.
The actual moral suggests, that tolerance is "good". The others are "wrong or bad" but it is beared - tolerated - because one is such a "good" person.
Evaluation means that one defines if something is pleasant or unpleasant for ONESELF. There is no need for judgment or punishment if it is unpleasant. Instead of hooking by these ignorant methods to unpleasant events it is much more sophisticated to reorient oneself to more preferred experiences.
However this can only be done if one knows already that everybody has its own world and that one is not bound to a collective. The experiences of others can be accepted as THEIR experiences as their CHOICE. This knowing makes acceptance possible because the own power (of choice) is already recognized. Without this knowledge one has to protect oneself and continue with judgments and therefore with punishment or tolerance.
Hey You Monkey!
That we're still monkeys is a completly *obvious fact* for me, so what's the problem about "betterment". zombie passage from berlin
I must admit that for a monkey you know already some grammar although the content is somewhat ...misty but funny. When you speak of your God - is it also a kind of higher monkey?
Monkey Philosophy
So your God is a monkey god because - as you write - it is the reality of space and time.
IMO there is no space and time. It is not a truth although it is temporary real. This is only a human belief and it does not transcend this dimension. What is clear now is that you feel inferior even to a monkey god and that you want to become simply human although - IN TRUTH - you are already divine and this time I don't speak of monkeys.
BTW: I am not a monkey (although they are nice) and have never been one...But if you like to consider yourself as a monkey - why not.
Your monkey philosophy is already fun. But what is really funny is that you needed more than 300 postings to express what you wanted to say.
Don't Fight
As you are only sixteen you may have a chance to not believe in all this garbage that a lot of older people believe, like i.e. Al Gore.
First of all: Believe only yourself! The greatest impact in your world would be to discover your unlimited abilities - to ally with YOURSELF - and all the rest is peanuts, so to speak.
Global Warming is just a natural cycle in climate changes of the earth. What is not so natural are all the fears of humankind which are expressed in wars, fights and a dirty environment. So all these global-warming-prophets miss the point and want to fight "outside" what is deeply "inside" and this "inside fear" is ignorance about oneself.
So you can save electricity or throw all your electric items away and also your car... nothing will change as long as you don't change your mind because the "maniac heat" is "inside". Once the human power is recognized there will be no need to fight anything again. You will find your individual path easily and in joy.
BTW: Watch where your energy (thoughts, imaginations) is flowing. Is it flowing into disagreeable assumptions like Global Warming, wars, other fights or is it flowing into your desires.... When flooding energy into the unwanted the unwanted is reinforced. That's why fighting always strengthen exactly that what is combated. This is a Universal law!
Essentials
"What do you consider essencial to living?" eyes
Knowledge and Appreciation! Knowledge - self-knowledge - and appreciation of myself and by this of everything in my perception. Essentials are also trust and acceptance. All this together is LOVE - the strongest energy in all dimensions!
Globalization - as it is used in mainstream thinking - is just business on global scale. However nothing impedes the globalization of consciousness - or rather discover and embrace all multiverses. This is self-knowledge.
Real But Not True
"What "mbl" is saying is, that everything "outside" is nothing, but I'd say that only everything *put together* is something. zombie passage"
No. I would never say something distorted like this. The so-called outside is real but not true. It is a feature - a human projection - in this area of consciousness which is experienced in a quite inert, physical manner. But although it seems to be solid it is just a kind of holography.
A truth must be valuable in all dimensions. One of the few truth that exist is the eternal I Am. And as the "outside" is "inside" there is no need to "put together". There is no separation. Everything is "inside".
But all these discussion are discussions of scribes. I find it much more interesting to find out how to be able to deliberately define the so-called outside.
Enlightenment
All you need in the USA is a period of enlightenment which would enable you to get rid of your white protestant religions - all those sects and all those strange preachers that you have. This would enable you also to get rid of your overly expressed patriotism which is maybe the expression of guilt because the country didn't belong so to speak to the people who came from Europe.
Yes, switch the light on! This is of course valuable in a slightly different way also for Europe. So far we don't have at least the influence of all those sects out there.
Prophets
There are tons of prophets out there (in there) so to speak...-) However you will find them only if your are "ready". And the whole life is a miracle. But if you are looking for uncommon events you have to open your mind. About angels... you are an "angel" yourself. So discover yourself! All these aspects of consciousness are here and now. It depends on you yourself if you can perceive them. And there are new "Holy Books" - much more interesting as the old "Holy Books". The best of all "Holy Books" is of course consciousness itself.
Dumb
You can gather knowledge and informations an experiences until your death without understanding anything. If you need a proof fort that, look at most of the academians - or the politic "leaders" or.... There is in general not even a tiny sparkle of wisdom. Nothing. NIente. Nada.
Wisdom is an understanding of every situation, of life itself and can ONLY come from self-recognition - from a deep knowledge about yourself. So all the "knowledge" which is taken for THE truth actually is completely distorted if not to say wrong! The experiences ares based on this "knowledge" and are therefore interpreted in the light (rather in the dark) of this "knowledge". No wonder that a lot of experiences are unpleasant. I.E. the war in Iraq and and and....
The more you gather and rely on this kind of "outside" knowledge, the more the brain becomes dumb, and brain stands here for the personnality. Better listen to your own intuitions, emotions, inspiration... that is enough knowledge!
"Anybody who wants to give me a belief (a truth) is my ennemy." OshoJust Beliefs
If you are really interested in finding out, what beliefs are, read this:
The whole so-called rock bed reality is just beliefs. If you can understand what Bashar is saying you can begin to become free!
Belief Systems
Beliefs (and faith) is one of the most powerfull mental tools in this area of consciousness which is called earth. Beliefs influence the perception (the creating mechanism) so much that one can see literally only what one believes.
There are core beliefs like gender, the so-called natural laws, etc. which are believed by everybody and which are difficult to change and there are many belief systems like sexuality, religion, science... which can be changed more easily. Change means choosing aspects of these belief systems which are agreable. Actually and probably since thousands of years rather disagreable beliefs are chosen...
The misunderstanding with beliefs comes from ignorance about beliefs. So many, many people think that they have to believe what some "autorities" say and don't trust their own innate ability to chose themselves the beliefs they prefer. Jesus Christ i.e. said: "If you cannot find out by yourselves, believe me at least". This has been transformed in "believe in me" which is absurd. But of course - as with all major features of human life - persons, organisations, churches claimed to know better, to know THE truth. And so they controlled the life of people, states, nations - of the world.
Nobody knows "better". Nobody can tell me what is "best" for me. So the challenge is now to understand this mechanism and to choose deliberately my own beliefs. This requires self-knowledge and trust (faith) in my own abilities. And when I start doing this I will perceive my beliefs "outside". And then I know that it works like this.
So beliefs are just a tool - an individual tool basically - which has been manipulated by many "autorities" to gain power and wealth. But now we live all in "The Age of the Individual" and it is time to think and choose individually. It is time to activate this innate mental-tool deliberately
Cymbals
Whatever any being is saying... it can only be an impulse - no more. No one can tell you the truth. Everybody has to find out alone. Truth cannot be told. And BTW. what Bashar is saying is that there is no reality per se but only the reality that you create. You see the difference.
Of course what he is saying in simple words is not so easy to understand if you don't know it already, so to speak.. After all, the words of Jesus Christ are not understood until today - after 2000 years!
The Devil
I agree. They are NOT understood and the interpretations of the various churches are IMO completely distorted and served mainly to dominate people and they have been very successful. Jesus spoke about love and the churches speak about guilt, punishment... ugly things.
BTW: Today the same process is working. The former devil became a terrorist and people are guilty of Global Warming and so on...
Falsehood
The nobel prize of peace has since longtime become a prize of and for lying villains and other bigoted... Just have a look who received that prize - Arafat, Peres, Al Gore... Next year they will give it to Rothschild!
Yoda
Luke Skywalker trying to extract his plane from the quagmire ... He fails and then Yoda pulls it out with nothing else than the power
Luke Skywalker: " I can't believe it!"
Yoda: "That why you fail!"
Similar:
My dreams won't come true!"
That's why they don't come true!"
Easy
You are You - Me - He - She - Everything
Your are not here IN the world
You are here AS the world
Creation
What could be more beneficial for an individual or society than CREATIVITY - no matter if it is consciously shared or not. Everything someone does goes into the overall consciousness and can be drawn by anyone who wants it...
Absence
After a year of absence I visited the site again and fount that your are right with your plaint.. This seems to be something that happens with a lot of forums. I made some comments today but I think I will go for another absence...
Clearance
A lot of interesting forums went down because of permanent ad hominem attacks paired with a certain kind of ignorance. But this is probably part of the actual shift in consciousness where the belief systems are shown in daylight, so to speak.
"The dross" as you say is already the majority in mainstream thinking. Just consider politics... Maybe one has to wait some years until the mud has cleared.
